[Wamvan] Ubc chant

Wed Sep 11 19:06:36 PDT 2013

Hi all, 

I won't be able to be at the event at UBC on Friday at the Sexual Assault Centre, so I won't be able to say this in person then, but the thing I fear about the Sauder rape chant is this:  I think people (maybe especially young men who have likely not actually raped (yet?)) have a tendency to brush off such a chant as just words without realizing the harm that is done by language alone.  I could go on for days about the harm of such language, but instead of doing that here, I'll just say that I hope that somehow the message gets through that words create attitudes, which create a culture that is conducive to violent behaviour.  The words themselves are dangerous & create an atmosphere of threat to all women, everywhere.  

And speaking of women worldwide, here's something from Asia: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24021573

Happy birthday Sexual Assault Centre!

Jill

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:54:14 -0700
From: tamistarlight at gmail.com
To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
Subject: Re: [Wamvan] Ubc chant

Here here Angela! 

hiy hiy/thank you.
tami

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:09 AM,  <sue at suehughson.com> wrote:

Hi Angela,
Excellent points, although I think the study does have some merit, despite the frame of reference being culturally skewed. The merit I believe it has involves the issue of global scrutiny. The Lancet is an important journal in my professional world, and the fact that the UN is doing such a study, and it gets published in The Lancet, shows a step forward regarding the importance of women's rights/equality.
Identifying colonialism and racism is imperative, however it does not preclude the entire value of the study. To illustrate, the response in India to the rape/murder of Jyoti Singh Pandey has become a touchstone for change in that country. It will be slow and stepwise, as true evolution always is, but part of the Indian response has to do with the global outrage that ensued from her death. 
Preventing those who come from prilivege from commenting is counterproductive, reminding them that sometimes they don't have all the facts, and they don't own all the voices is not.Thank you Angela, and everyone for this commentary.

My comments regarding a panel, is whether or not any such panel is currently being considered by the UBC community?
Sue 

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Subject: Re: [Wamvan] Ubc chant

From: "Angela Marie MacDougall" <director at bwss.org>

Date: Wed, September 11, 2013 9:42 am

To: <wamvan at lists.resist.ca>

Cc: <wamvan at lists.resist.ca>

Hi all,
Whatever value we seek to draw from 

new study on violence against women in Southeast Asian countries, by UN Joint Programme Partners for Prevention is neutralized due to the colonial white supremacist lens that inevitably this research will be viewed through. The racialization of violence against women and men who perpetrate violence against women is as resistant to change as is racism in and of itself. 

The particular othering the men who participated in this research serves to reinforce the stratification and these oppressive frames. 
We simply cannot discuss the issue of male violence against women without putting it in the context of white supremacy, colonialism and imperialism. This research appears lacks this very important context. So we end up with the same old conclusions  being drawn. 

And since it appears that the researchers are not from the communities, lands, territories, countries being analyzed we are unable to assess the particular historic legal social realities for the men who participated in the research to understand how masculinity was shaped and formed sexism, misogyny the use of violence sexism within the relationship women. 

At the moment it appears that the only research that is being conducted about male violence against women that reaches the mainstream is with men of colour. 
A

On 2013-09-11, at 9:16 AM, "Jarrah" <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for that info, Sue. I was initially asked to go on On the Coast yesterday to talk about that Lancet study by the UN but I got bumped so wrote this article instead: http://www.gender-focus.com/2013/09/10/global-lessons-un-study-violence-against-women-asia/

On the rape chant issue, that's the topic of today's Twitter #sheparty. Anyone's welcome to drop in between 12-1 Pacific on the #sheparty hashtag to share thoughts.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi Sue,

 Thanks for sharing the Lancet article! What do you mean by participation of WAMmers in the panel? I imagine some members of our listserv may attend as audience members who may engage in dialogue with panelists, and Anisa who's kept us informed on this thread works at the UBC Sexual Assault Centre.

 Joanna

 On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Susan Hughson <sue at suehughson.com> wrote:

 > Here is a new article from the Lancet that is timely, and I believe the UN report on status of women was released yesterday.

 >
 > http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2214-109X(13)70074-3/abstract
 >

 > A panel with the Sexual Assault Centre, Student Union, reps from UBC, AMS, and Sauder admin with an invitation to broader community groups would be timely. Are WAMmers already in progress with this idea? If yes, would you be interested in participation from BC Humanist Association? Many of our members have strong articulate opinions on the Sauder frosh incident and its connection to global sexism/misogyny.

 >
 > Sue
 >
 > On 2013-09-10, at 10:58 PM, "Cynthia K." <cyn.khoo at gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> Completely agreed, and with what others above have said, as well. The worst would be everyone seeing this as akin to an "isolated incident" (albeit longstanding one) as opposed to just one instance of a much (even) more widespread and fundamental problem (ie. rape culture at large).

 >>
 >> On 2013-09-11, at 1:44 PM, Lyn Cockburn <lyncockburn at gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >>> I'm concerned that some media outlets and UBC itself is giving the impression - directly or indirectly - that the only problem here is the chant itself and not the rape culture it represents.After all, goes that logic, we are in a 'post feminist' era just as we've been in a 'post racist' era since the day Barack Obama was elected US president and so surely we don't have to waste any more time talking about how sexist or racist our society is. Therefore, if we get rid of these chants, the problem is solved.

 >>> Perhaps, we could have a discussion about how to open people's eyes as to what the chant represents and how to speak up both against the chant itself and the mindset it promotes.
 >>> Lyn

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