[Wamvan] Ubc chant

Wed Sep 11 12:54:14 PDT 2013

Here here Angela!

hiy hiy/thank you.
tami

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:09 AM, <sue at suehughson.com> wrote:

> Hi Angela,
>
> Excellent points, although I think the study does have some merit, despite
> the frame of reference being culturally skewed. The merit I believe it has
> involves the issue of global scrutiny. The Lancet is an important journal
> in my professional world, and the fact that the UN is doing such a study,
> and it gets published in The Lancet, shows a step forward regarding the
> importance of women's rights/equality.
> Identifying colonialism and racism is imperative, however it does not
> preclude the entire value of the study. To illustrate, the response in
> India to the rape/murder of Jyoti Singh Pandey has become a touchstone for
> change in that country. It will be slow and stepwise, as true evolution
> always is, but part of the Indian response has to do with the global
> outrage that ensued from her death.
> Preventing those who come from prilivege from commenting is
> counterproductive, reminding them that sometimes they don't have all the
> facts, and they don't own all the voices is not.
> Thank you Angela, and everyone for this commentary.
>
> My comments regarding a panel, is whether or not any such panel is
> currently being considered by the UBC community?
>
> Sue
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] Ubc chant
> From: "Angela Marie MacDougall" <director at bwss.org>
> Date: Wed, September 11, 2013 9:42 am
> To: <wamvan at lists.resist.ca>
> Cc: <wamvan at lists.resist.ca>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Whatever value we seek to draw from
> new study on violence against women in Southeast Asian countries<http://asia-pacific.undp.org/content/rbap/en/home/presscenter/pressreleases/2013/09/10/un-survey-reveals-why-some-men-use-violence/>,
> by UN Joint Programme Partners for Prevention is neutralized due to the
> colonial white supremacist lens that inevitably this research will be
> viewed through. The racialization of violence against women and men who
> perpetrate violence against women is as resistant to change as is racism in
> and of itself.
> The particular othering the men who participated in this research serves
> to reinforce the stratification and these oppressive frames.
> We simply cannot discuss the issue of male violence against women without
> putting it in the context of white supremacy, colonialism and imperialism.
> This research appears lacks this very important context. So we end up with
> the same old conclusions  being drawn.
> And since it appears that the researchers are not from the communities,
> lands, territories, countries being analyzed we are unable to assess the
> particular historic legal social realities for the men who participated in
> the research to understand how masculinity was shaped and formed sexism,
> misogyny the use of violence sexism within the relationship women.
> At the moment it appears that the only research that is being conducted
> about male violence against women that reaches the mainstream is with men
> of colour.
> A
>
> On 2013-09-11, at 9:16 AM, "Jarrah" <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that info, Sue. I was initially asked to go on On the Coast
> yesterday to talk about that Lancet study by the UN but I got bumped so
> wrote this article instead:
> http://www.gender-focus.com/2013/09/10/global-lessons-un-study-violence-against-women-asia/
>
> On the rape chant issue, that's the topic of today's Twitter #sheparty.
> Anyone's welcome to drop in between 12-1 Pacific on the #sheparty hashtag
> to share thoughts.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Sue,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the Lancet article! What do you mean by participation
>> of WAMmers in the panel? I imagine some members of our listserv may attend
>> as audience members who may engage in dialogue with panelists, and Anisa
>> who's kept us informed on this thread works at the UBC Sexual Assault
>> Centre.
>>
>> Joanna
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Susan Hughson <sue at suehughson.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Here is a new article from the Lancet that is timely, and I believe the
>> UN report on status of women was released yesterday.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2214-109X(13)70074-3/abstract
>> >
>> > A panel with the Sexual Assault Centre, Student Union, reps from UBC,
>> AMS, and Sauder admin with an invitation to broader community groups would
>> be timely. Are WAMmers already in progress with this idea? If yes, would
>> you be interested in participation from BC Humanist Association? Many of
>> our members have strong articulate opinions on the Sauder frosh incident
>> and its connection to global sexism/misogyny.
>> >
>> > Sue
>> >
>> > On 2013-09-10, at 10:58 PM, "Cynthia K." <cyn.khoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Completely agreed, and with what others above have said, as well. The
>> worst would be everyone seeing this as akin to an "isolated incident"
>> (albeit longstanding one) as opposed to just one instance of a much (even)
>> more widespread and fundamental problem (ie. rape culture at large).
>> >>
>> >> On 2013-09-11, at 1:44 PM, Lyn Cockburn <lyncockburn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm concerned that some media outlets and UBC itself is giving the
>> impression - directly or indirectly - that the only problem here is the
>> chant itself and not the rape culture it represents.After all, goes that
>> logic, we are in a 'post feminist' era just as we've been in a 'post
>> racist' era since the day Barack Obama was elected US president and so
>> surely we don't have to waste any more time talking about how sexist or
>> racist our society is. Therefore, if we get rid of these chants, the
>> problem is solved.
>> >>> Perhaps, we could have a discussion about how to open people's eyes
>> as to what the chant represents and how to speak up both against the chant
>> itself and the mindset it promotes.
>> >>> Lyn
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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