[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

[Joanna Chiu]

Thanks for letting us know! :)
On Nov 29, 2012 3:50 AM, "Rebecca Brooke" <rebecca.brooke44 at gmail.com>
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> I will probably be able to make it on the 22nd and would love to join.
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> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:16 AM, jana g <janagee at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> It is possible i can arrange to be in Vancouver area for the 22nd ...
>> given WAM goes ahead with the plan.   :)  jana juniper  (:
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>> On 11/28/12, Jill Goldberg <jygoldberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Okay - I can be there on the 22nd, too!
>> > Jill
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>> > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:59:56 -0800
>> > From: alex_tse at sfu.ca
>> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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>> > Hi Jill, YES!
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>> > From: "Jill Goldberg" <jygoldberg at hotmail.com>
>> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 November, 2012 21:44:02
>> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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>> > Are newcomers welcome?
>> > Jill
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>> > CC: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>> > From: info at imagesmith.ca
>> > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:25:53 -0800
>> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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>> > Hi Joanna and WAM!
>> > I can make the 22nd for sure. Love to meet everyone and share
>> ideas/intel
>> > for all of our organizations/projects etc
>> > Jennifer
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>> > Jennifer K Johnson 604-763-2392
>> > On 2012-11-27, at 9:09 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Hmm, so far, I've heard that Jarrah, Alex, Frieda (maybe) can make it.
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>> > Could anyone else who plans to come reply to the list so we could get a
>> > sense of whether there'd be enough people to have the social on the
>> 22nd?
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>> > If not, would after Christmas and before New Year's work better or is
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>> > I'm free the 19th and the 21st, too.
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>> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Alexandra Tse <alex_tse at sfu.ca> wrote:
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>> > yes! That would work for me.alex
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>> > From: "Joanna Chiu" <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>
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>> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>> > Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2012 22:29:11
>> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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>> > Would afternoon on the 22nd work for everyone? We'll look into Rhizome.
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>> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com
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>> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>
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>> > That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting
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>> > good idea to book something  soon so we can keep that time free during
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>> > It'll be great to get together and catch up and talk about ways to
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>> > Would Dec. 22nd work for other people? I'm changing the subject heading.
>> > Thanks so much for looking into possible venues, Jarrah! They'd have to
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>> > Definitely! I'd suggest Thursday night the 20th or Saturday the 22nd
>> > daytime. If that works for folks I could start trying to find a place
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>> > constructive objection - or, maybe the old owner sold out?  Or just got
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>> > On 2012-11-24, at 8:42 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Hi Joanna,
>> > You or the journalist should really talk to the folks from Feminist
>> > Edmonton. They are directly challenging MRAs through a counter-poster
>> > campaign and online videos. Their videos are here:
>> > http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministEdmonton?feature=watch and they
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>> > where they don't show their faces. They pull out the most ridiculous
>> > arguments for why feminism isn't needed and actually hurts men. They
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>> > A Men's Rights group recently did some poster campaigns in Vancouver.
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>> > Joanna Chiu
>> > www.joannachiu.com
>> > twitter.com/joannachiu
>> > Ph: 5115 8253
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