[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

Wed Nov 28 11:19:47 PST 2012

Hi Jana,

That'll be great! We'll confirm as soon as we lock down a location!

Joanna

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:16 AM, jana g <janagee at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is possible i can arrange to be in Vancouver area for the 22nd ...
> given WAM goes ahead with the plan.   :)  jana juniper  (:
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> On 11/28/12, Jill Goldberg <jygoldberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Okay - I can be there on the 22nd, too!
> > Jill
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:59:56 -0800
> > From: alex_tse at sfu.ca
> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> > Hi Jill, YES!
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> > From: "Jill Goldberg" <jygoldberg at hotmail.com>
> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 November, 2012 21:44:02
> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> > Are newcomers welcome?
> > Jill
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> > CC: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> > From: info at imagesmith.ca
> > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:25:53 -0800
> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> > Hi Joanna and WAM!
> > I can make the 22nd for sure. Love to meet everyone and share ideas/intel
> > for all of our organizations/projects etc
> > Jennifer
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> > Jennifer K Johnson 604-763-2392
> > On 2012-11-27, at 9:09 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Hmm, so far, I've heard that Jarrah, Alex, Frieda (maybe) can make it.
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> > Could anyone else who plans to come reply to the list so we could get a
> > sense of whether there'd be enough people to have the social on the 22nd?
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> > If not, would after Christmas and before New Year's work better or is
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> > time really busy too?
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> > I'm free the 19th and the 21st, too.
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> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Alexandra Tse <alex_tse at sfu.ca> wrote:
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> > yes! That would work for me.alex
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> > From: "Joanna Chiu" <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>
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> > To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> > Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2012 22:29:11
> > Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> > Would afternoon on the 22nd work for everyone? We'll look into Rhizome.
> :)
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> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>
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> > I have heard that the Rhizome Cafe still has some vacancies for its
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> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>
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> > That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting scheduled
> > for Dec. 20 evening. I'm free anytime on the 22nd, though! It sounds
> like a
> > good idea to book something  soon so we can keep that time free during
> the
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> > It'll be great to get together and catch up and talk about ways to
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> > Would Dec. 22nd work for other people? I'm changing the subject heading.
> > Thanks so much for looking into possible venues, Jarrah! They'd have to
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> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Definitely! I'd suggest Thursday night the 20th or Saturday the 22nd
> > daytime. If that works for folks I could start trying to find a place
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> > If only I could teleport back to Vancouver to cover this story. (I've
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> > I'm coming back home for a few weeks starting Dec. 18, though. Can we all
> > please meet up and do something fun? And brainstorm on how to take over
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> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>
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> > Suzette says the dealership that had the signs was at Hastings and Knight
> > (Clark).  It was there for a long time, we saw it just a few weeks ago,
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> > but Suzette says she thinks they have taken the signs down.  I was having
> > fantasies of throwing eggs, but perhaps someone did that or raised a
> > constructive objection - or, maybe the old owner sold out?  Or just got
> fed
> > up with the MR movement people.  Or got busted for something.  It would
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> > interesting for a journalist to go there and talk to people about why
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> > Hey, thanks for all the information. Is this MRA business a recent thing
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> > What's been happening at commercial drive & broadway stn, Tami?
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> > campaign, my worry is they'll just tear down the posters in retaliation
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> > harassment of feminists by MRAs? I don't know, any other ideas? The
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> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com
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> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tami Starlight <
> tamistarlight at gmail.com>
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> > Yup
> > Been an ongoing issue here and know a few who were challenging their
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> > Sent from my wireless device*All my relations*Tami Starlight:Unceded
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> > On 2012-11-24, at 8:42 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Hi Joanna,
> > You or the journalist should really talk to the folks from Feminist
> > Edmonton. They are directly challenging MRAs through a counter-poster
> > campaign and online videos. Their videos are here:
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministEdmonton?feature=watch and they
> have a
> > website here: http://feministedmonton.com
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> > I would love to do a counter-poster campaign here if anyone's interested.
> > The more I hear from some MRAs the more angry I get. They target my
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> > endlessly with anti-feminist comments and post their own video responses
> > where they don't show their faces. They pull out the most ridiculous
> > arguments for why feminism isn't needed and actually hurts men. They
> have an
> > endless repository of quotes from people you and I have never heard of
> who
> > say they're feminists and advocate violence against men. They try to bait
> > you into long, fruitless arguments.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f68U4p7Ml8&list=UUj5Ce3ACuCyGCjmrHydbr_Q&index=7&feature=plcp
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> > of my contributors saying she wished she could work with MRAs if they
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> > believe in equality. Their video has a picture of a woman in a gorilla
> mask
> > with the title "Feminist Sans Makeup" and they read her entire post in a
> > mocking voice and invite commenters to attack her arguments
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> trolling
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> > people actively fighting back I would definitely follow up with some of
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> > Feminist Edmonton activists. Also interested to hear what other
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> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>
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> > Hey WAM peeps,
> > A Men's Rights group recently did some poster campaigns in Vancouver.
> > http://masculism.ca/blog/vancouver-mra-hits-the-streets/
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> > For those who haven't heard about MRA's before, these Urban Dictionary
> > definitions are actually quite accurate:
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra
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> > resisting against them? Would really like to know. I might write about
> this
> > for my next Herizons' column, and a journalism student from Langara
> asked me
> > if WAM! members had any comments for an article she's writing on MRA's.
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> > More info on the posters in Vancouver. Some had been torn down.
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> > Here are the journalist's questions below but please comment on whatever
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> > Thanks,
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> > 1. Have you encountered/had any experience with the men's rights
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> > 2. What is your perception of men's rights activists?
> > 3. Men's rights activists have many qualms with the feminist movement.
> One
> > thing is, the men's rights movement does not believe that, historically,
> the
> > scales of power have been tipped away from women, and that society is
> not a
> > patriarchy. As a feminist, what would your response to that be?
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> > 7. I asked a men's rights activist about the over-sexualization of women
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> > the media, the madonna/whore dichotomy, and his thoughts were: it's not
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> > society's exploitation of female sexuality, but women exploiting the
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> > power they hold over men. I am curious to hear your thoughts on this.
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> > 9. Can you point to a point in history, from past to present, when women
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> > Joanna Chiu
> > www.joannachiu.com
> > twitter.com/joannachiu
> > Ph: 5115 8253
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> > Joanna Chiu
> > www.joannachiu.com
> > twitter.com/joannachiu
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