[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

Wed Nov 28 11:16:16 PST 2012

It is possible i can arrange to be in Vancouver area for the 22nd ...
given WAM goes ahead with the plan.   :)  jana juniper  (:

On 11/28/12, Jill Goldberg <jygoldberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Okay - I can be there on the 22nd, too!
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> From: alex_tse at sfu.ca
> To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> Hi Jill, YES!
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> From: "Jill Goldberg" <jygoldberg at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:25:53 -0800
> To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> Hi Joanna and WAM!
> I can make the 22nd for sure. Love to meet everyone and share ideas/intel
> for all of our organizations/projects etc
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> On 2012-11-27, at 9:09 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hmm, so far, I've heard that Jarrah, Alex, Frieda (maybe) can make it.
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> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?
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> Would afternoon on the 22nd work for everyone? We'll look into Rhizome. :)
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> That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting scheduled
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