[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

Natalie Hill nhill10 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 27 10:55:12 PST 2012 

I won't be able to attend. Since it's the weekend right before Christmas,
I've already received at least 3 or 4 invitations to friends and families'
gatherings that weekend, and I'll be hosting my own. Probably spending the
entire day Saturday baking my Christmas gifts :)

My advice would be to avoid trying to organize something that weekend - my
guess is there are many out there in the same boat as me. But if there's
enough interest and commitment from people, go for it.

I would have to send my regrets ...


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:

> I can probably attend on that date.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Would afternoon on the 22nd work for everyone? We'll look into Rhizome.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard that the Rhizome Cafe still has some vacancies for its
>>> meeting room for the week before Christmas.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting
>>>> scheduled for Dec. 20 evening. I'm free anytime on the 22nd, though! It
>>>> sounds like a good idea to book something  soon so we can keep that time
>>>> free during the busy holiday season.
>>>>
>>>> It'll be great to get together and catch up and talk about ways to
>>>> support each other's work and collaborate! :)
>>>>
>>>> Would Dec. 22nd work for other people? I'm changing the subject
>>>> heading. Thanks so much for looking into possible venues, Jarrah! They'd
>>>> have to be accessible, not require members to pay money to participate, and
>>>> be centrally located.
>>>>
>>>> Joanna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely! I'd suggest Thursday night the 20th or Saturday the 22nd
>>>>> daytime. If that works for folks I could start trying to find a place that
>>>>> would work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If only I could teleport back to Vancouver to cover this story. (I've
>>>>>> been in Hong Kong on a one-year contract position at a newspaper for the
>>>>>> past half year.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm coming back home for a few weeks starting Dec. 18, though. Can we
>>>>>> all please meet up and do something fun? And brainstorm on how to take over
>>>>>> the world?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suzette says the dealership that had the signs was at Hastings and
>>>>>>> Knight (Clark).  It was there for a long time, we saw it just a few weeks
>>>>>>> ago, too, but Suzette says she thinks they have taken the signs down.  I
>>>>>>> was having fantasies of throwing eggs, but perhaps someone did that or
>>>>>>> raised a constructive objection - or, maybe the old owner sold out?  Or
>>>>>>> just got fed up with the MR movement people.  Or got busted for something.
>>>>>>> It would be interesting for a journalist to go there and talk to people
>>>>>>> about why they had the signs and why they took them down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, thanks for all the information. Is this MRA business a recent
>>>>>>>> thing in Vancouver that started growing this year?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's been happening at commercial drive & broadway stn, Tami?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to discuss counter measures as well. If we do a counter
>>>>>>>> poster campaign, my worry is they'll just tear down the posters in
>>>>>>>> retaliation for whoever tore down theirs. And I don't think they're worth
>>>>>>>> the printing costs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we can make some sort of web poster/infographic to share
>>>>>>>> around social media? Or an online petition? What would we want to ask for?
>>>>>>>> An end to harassment of feminists by MRAs? I don't know, any other ideas?
>>>>>>>> The tricky thing is that you don't want to help them get more publicity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's a car dealership here in town with MRI posters all over it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yup
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Been an ongoing issue here and know a few who were challenging
>>>>>>>>>> their shit on commercial drive & broadway stn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my wireless device
>>>>>>>>>> *All my relations*
>>>>>>>>>> Tami Starlight:Unceded coast Salish territory/Vancouver
>>>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/Tamistarlight
>>>>>>>>>> Tami_starlight (twitter)
>>>>>>>>>> Cosmictami (skype)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-11-24, at 8:42 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joanna,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You or the journalist should really talk to the folks from
>>>>>>>>>> Feminist Edmonton. They are directly challenging MRAs through a
>>>>>>>>>> counter-poster campaign and online videos. Their videos are here:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministEdmonton?feature=watch and
>>>>>>>>>> they have a website here: http://feministedmonton.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Men's Rights Edmonton has made videos like this in response:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcI4VPiJVKM&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would love to do a counter-poster campaign here if anyone's
>>>>>>>>>> interested. The more I hear from some MRAs the more angry I get. They
>>>>>>>>>> target my videos endlessly with anti-feminist comments and post their own
>>>>>>>>>> video responses where they don't show their faces. They pull out the most
>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous arguments for why feminism isn't needed and actually hurts men.
>>>>>>>>>> They have an endless repository of quotes from people you and I have never
>>>>>>>>>> heard of who say they're feminists and advocate violence against men. They
>>>>>>>>>> try to bait you into long, fruitless arguments.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In this video the guy actually criticizes Because I am a Girl
>>>>>>>>>> because they don't help boys in developing countries (
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f68U4p7Ml8&list=UUj5Ce3ACuCyGCjmrHydbr_Q&index=7&feature=plcp
>>>>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They made a video in response to what I thought was a very open
>>>>>>>>>> post by one of my contributors saying she wished she could work with MRAs
>>>>>>>>>> if they truly believe in equality. Their video has a picture of a woman in
>>>>>>>>>> a gorilla mask with the title "Feminist Sans Makeup" and they read her
>>>>>>>>>> entire post in a mocking voice and invite commenters to attack her
>>>>>>>>>> arguments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMQkSCdELs).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To some extent I get conflicted - I don't want to make videos or
>>>>>>>>>> write long posts directly taking them on. I know it's inviting huge amounts
>>>>>>>>>> of trolling and putting my face/name out there as a target. But I'd love to
>>>>>>>>>> work on some sort of counter postering campaign involving more people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At any rate, I'm happy to talk more on this issue but for an
>>>>>>>>>> example of people actively fighting back I would definitely follow up with
>>>>>>>>>> some of the Feminist Edmonton activists. Also interested to hear what other
>>>>>>>>>> experience WAM-ers have had in Vancouver.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jarrah
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Joanna Chiu <
>>>>>>>>>> chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey WAM peeps,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Men's Rights group recently did some poster campaigns in
>>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://masculism.ca/blog/vancouver-mra-hits-the-streets/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For those who haven't heard about MRA's before, these Urban
>>>>>>>>>>> Dictionary definitions are actually quite accurate:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are there any feminist individuals or groups in Vancouver that
>>>>>>>>>>> are actively resisting against them? Would really like to know. I might
>>>>>>>>>>> write about this for my next Herizons' column, and a journalism student
>>>>>>>>>>> from Langara asked me if WAM! members had any comments for an article she's
>>>>>>>>>>> writing on MRA's.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More info on the posters in Vancouver. Some had been torn down.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/10/mens-rights-posters-vancouver_n_1871526.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the journalist's questions below but please comment on
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you find pertinent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Have you encountered/had any experience with the men's rights
>>>>>>>>>>> movement?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. What is your perception of men's rights activists?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Men's rights activists have many qualms with the feminist
>>>>>>>>>>> movement. One thing is, the men's rights movement does not believe that,
>>>>>>>>>>> historically, the scales of power have been tipped away from women, and
>>>>>>>>>>> that society is not a patriarchy. As a feminist, what would your response
>>>>>>>>>>> to that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. On issues such as reproductive rights, one of the men's
>>>>>>>>>>> rights activists I spoke with said that it was an issue of religious
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs and not a "war on women." Do you agree/disagree? Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Have women achieved equal status in society?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Why do you believe feminism is still relevant?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 7. I asked a men's rights activist about the over-sexualization
>>>>>>>>>>> of women in the media, the madonna/whore dichotomy, and his thoughts were:
>>>>>>>>>>> it's not only society's exploitation of female sexuality, but women
>>>>>>>>>>> exploiting the sexual power they hold over men. I am curious to hear your
>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 8. What would you say to anyone who views feminism as an attack
>>>>>>>>>>> on men's liberties?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 9. Can you point to a point in history, from past to present,
>>>>>>>>>>> when women have held more power than men?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 10. Do you think the feminist movement is threatened by the
>>>>>>>>>>> men's rights movement?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>>>>>>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>>>>>>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Jarrah Hodge
>>>>>>>>>> @jarrahpenguin
>>>>>>>>>> http://gender-focus.com
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
>>>>>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.wings.org>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/wingsradio
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>>>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>>>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
>>>>>>> <http://www.wings.org>
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>>>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --------------------
>>>>> Jarrah Hodge
>>>>> @jarrahpenguin
>>>>> http://gender-focus.com
>>>>> *Vote for Gender Focus in the Canadian Blog Awards: *
>>>>> http://polldaddy.com/poll/6654035/
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>>>> ---
>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>  Joanna Chiu
>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>> Ph: 5115 8253
>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
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