[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

Mon Nov 26 23:09:27 PST 2012

I can probably attend on that date.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Would afternoon on the 22nd work for everyone? We'll look into Rhizome. :)
>
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> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I have heard that the Rhizome Cafe still has some vacancies for its
>> meeting room for the week before Christmas.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting
>>> scheduled for Dec. 20 evening. I'm free anytime on the 22nd, though! It
>>> sounds like a good idea to book something  soon so we can keep that time
>>> free during the busy holiday season.
>>>
>>> It'll be great to get together and catch up and talk about ways to
>>> support each other's work and collaborate! :)
>>>
>>> Would Dec. 22nd work for other people? I'm changing the subject heading.
>>> Thanks so much for looking into possible venues, Jarrah! They'd have to be
>>> accessible, not require members to pay money to participate, and be
>>> centrally located.
>>>
>>> Joanna
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Definitely! I'd suggest Thursday night the 20th or Saturday the 22nd
>>>> daytime. If that works for folks I could start trying to find a place that
>>>> would work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If only I could teleport back to Vancouver to cover this story. (I've
>>>>> been in Hong Kong on a one-year contract position at a newspaper for the
>>>>> past half year.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm coming back home for a few weeks starting Dec. 18, though. Can we
>>>>> all please meet up and do something fun? And brainstorm on how to take over
>>>>> the world?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Suzette says the dealership that had the signs was at Hastings and
>>>>>> Knight (Clark).  It was there for a long time, we saw it just a few weeks
>>>>>> ago, too, but Suzette says she thinks they have taken the signs down.  I
>>>>>> was having fantasies of throwing eggs, but perhaps someone did that or
>>>>>> raised a constructive objection - or, maybe the old owner sold out?  Or
>>>>>> just got fed up with the MR movement people.  Or got busted for something.
>>>>>> It would be interesting for a journalist to go there and talk to people
>>>>>> about why they had the signs and why they took them down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, thanks for all the information. Is this MRA business a recent
>>>>>>> thing in Vancouver that started growing this year?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's been happening at commercial drive & broadway stn, Tami?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to discuss counter measures as well. If we do a counter
>>>>>>> poster campaign, my worry is they'll just tear down the posters in
>>>>>>> retaliation for whoever tore down theirs. And I don't think they're worth
>>>>>>> the printing costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we can make some sort of web poster/infographic to share
>>>>>>> around social media? Or an online petition? What would we want to ask for?
>>>>>>> An end to harassment of feminists by MRAs? I don't know, any other ideas?
>>>>>>> The tricky thing is that you don't want to help them get more publicity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a car dealership here in town with MRI posters all over it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yup
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Been an ongoing issue here and know a few who were challenging
>>>>>>>>> their shit on commercial drive & broadway stn.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my wireless device
>>>>>>>>> *All my relations*
>>>>>>>>> Tami Starlight:Unceded coast Salish territory/Vancouver
>>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/Tamistarlight
>>>>>>>>> Tami_starlight (twitter)
>>>>>>>>> Cosmictami (skype)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2012-11-24, at 8:42 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Joanna,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You or the journalist should really talk to the folks from
>>>>>>>>> Feminist Edmonton. They are directly challenging MRAs through a
>>>>>>>>> counter-poster campaign and online videos. Their videos are here:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministEdmonton?feature=watch and
>>>>>>>>> they have a website here: http://feministedmonton.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Men's Rights Edmonton has made videos like this in response:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcI4VPiJVKM&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would love to do a counter-poster campaign here if anyone's
>>>>>>>>> interested. The more I hear from some MRAs the more angry I get. They
>>>>>>>>> target my videos endlessly with anti-feminist comments and post their own
>>>>>>>>> video responses where they don't show their faces. They pull out the most
>>>>>>>>> ridiculous arguments for why feminism isn't needed and actually hurts men.
>>>>>>>>> They have an endless repository of quotes from people you and I have never
>>>>>>>>> heard of who say they're feminists and advocate violence against men. They
>>>>>>>>> try to bait you into long, fruitless arguments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this video the guy actually criticizes Because I am a Girl
>>>>>>>>> because they don't help boys in developing countries (
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f68U4p7Ml8&list=UUj5Ce3ACuCyGCjmrHydbr_Q&index=7&feature=plcp
>>>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They made a video in response to what I thought was a very open
>>>>>>>>> post by one of my contributors saying she wished she could work with MRAs
>>>>>>>>> if they truly believe in equality. Their video has a picture of a woman in
>>>>>>>>> a gorilla mask with the title "Feminist Sans Makeup" and they read her
>>>>>>>>> entire post in a mocking voice and invite commenters to attack her
>>>>>>>>> arguments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMQkSCdELs).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To some extent I get conflicted - I don't want to make videos or
>>>>>>>>> write long posts directly taking them on. I know it's inviting huge amounts
>>>>>>>>> of trolling and putting my face/name out there as a target. But I'd love to
>>>>>>>>> work on some sort of counter postering campaign involving more people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At any rate, I'm happy to talk more on this issue but for an
>>>>>>>>> example of people actively fighting back I would definitely follow up with
>>>>>>>>> some of the Feminist Edmonton activists. Also interested to hear what other
>>>>>>>>> experience WAM-ers have had in Vancouver.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jarrah
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Joanna Chiu <
>>>>>>>>> chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey WAM peeps,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Men's Rights group recently did some poster campaigns in
>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver.
>>>>>>>>>> http://masculism.ca/blog/vancouver-mra-hits-the-streets/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For those who haven't heard about MRA's before, these Urban
>>>>>>>>>> Dictionary definitions are actually quite accurate:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are there any feminist individuals or groups in Vancouver that
>>>>>>>>>> are actively resisting against them? Would really like to know. I might
>>>>>>>>>> write about this for my next Herizons' column, and a journalism student
>>>>>>>>>> from Langara asked me if WAM! members had any comments for an article she's
>>>>>>>>>> writing on MRA's.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More info on the posters in Vancouver. Some had been torn down.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/10/mens-rights-posters-vancouver_n_1871526.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are the journalist's questions below but please comment on
>>>>>>>>>> whatever you find pertinent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Have you encountered/had any experience with the men's rights
>>>>>>>>>> movement?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. What is your perception of men's rights activists?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Men's rights activists have many qualms with the feminist
>>>>>>>>>> movement. One thing is, the men's rights movement does not believe that,
>>>>>>>>>> historically, the scales of power have been tipped away from women, and
>>>>>>>>>> that society is not a patriarchy. As a feminist, what would your response
>>>>>>>>>> to that be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4. On issues such as reproductive rights, one of the men's rights
>>>>>>>>>> activists I spoke with said that it was an issue of religious beliefs and
>>>>>>>>>> not a "war on women." Do you agree/disagree? Why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Have women achieved equal status in society?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 6. Why do you believe feminism is still relevant?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 7. I asked a men's rights activist about the over-sexualization
>>>>>>>>>> of women in the media, the madonna/whore dichotomy, and his thoughts were:
>>>>>>>>>> it's not only society's exploitation of female sexuality, but women
>>>>>>>>>> exploiting the sexual power they hold over men. I am curious to hear your
>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 8. What would you say to anyone who views feminism as an attack
>>>>>>>>>> on men's liberties?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 9. Can you point to a point in history, from past to present,
>>>>>>>>>> when women have held more power than men?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 10. Do you think the feminist movement is threatened by the men's
>>>>>>>>>> rights movement?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>>>>>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
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>>>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
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