[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

Mon Nov 26 22:29:11 PST 2012

Would afternoon on the 22nd work for everyone? We'll look into Rhizome. :)

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have heard that the Rhizome Cafe still has some vacancies for its
> meeting room for the week before Christmas.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting scheduled
>> for Dec. 20 evening. I'm free anytime on the 22nd, though! It sounds like a
>> good idea to book something  soon so we can keep that time free during the
>> busy holiday season.
>>
>> It'll be great to get together and catch up and talk about ways to
>> support each other's work and collaborate! :)
>>
>> Would Dec. 22nd work for other people? I'm changing the subject heading.
>> Thanks so much for looking into possible venues, Jarrah! They'd have to be
>> accessible, not require members to pay money to participate, and be
>> centrally located.
>>
>> Joanna
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely! I'd suggest Thursday night the 20th or Saturday the 22nd
>>> daytime. If that works for folks I could start trying to find a place that
>>> would work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> If only I could teleport back to Vancouver to cover this story. (I've
>>>> been in Hong Kong on a one-year contract position at a newspaper for the
>>>> past half year.)
>>>>
>>>> I'm coming back home for a few weeks starting Dec. 18, though. Can we
>>>> all please meet up and do something fun? And brainstorm on how to take over
>>>> the world?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Suzette says the dealership that had the signs was at Hastings and
>>>>> Knight (Clark).  It was there for a long time, we saw it just a few weeks
>>>>> ago, too, but Suzette says she thinks they have taken the signs down.  I
>>>>> was having fantasies of throwing eggs, but perhaps someone did that or
>>>>> raised a constructive objection - or, maybe the old owner sold out?  Or
>>>>> just got fed up with the MR movement people.  Or got busted for something.
>>>>> It would be interesting for a journalist to go there and talk to people
>>>>> about why they had the signs and why they took them down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, thanks for all the information. Is this MRA business a recent
>>>>>> thing in Vancouver that started growing this year?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's been happening at commercial drive & broadway stn, Tami?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to discuss counter measures as well. If we do a counter
>>>>>> poster campaign, my worry is they'll just tear down the posters in
>>>>>> retaliation for whoever tore down theirs. And I don't think they're worth
>>>>>> the printing costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we can make some sort of web poster/infographic to share around
>>>>>> social media? Or an online petition? What would we want to ask for? An end
>>>>>> to harassment of feminists by MRAs? I don't know, any other ideas? The
>>>>>> tricky thing is that you don't want to help them get more publicity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a car dealership here in town with MRI posters all over it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Been an ongoing issue here and know a few who were challenging
>>>>>>>> their shit on commercial drive & broadway stn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my wireless device
>>>>>>>> *All my relations*
>>>>>>>> Tami Starlight:Unceded coast Salish territory/Vancouver
>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/Tamistarlight
>>>>>>>> Tami_starlight (twitter)
>>>>>>>> Cosmictami (skype)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2012-11-24, at 8:42 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Joanna,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You or the journalist should really talk to the folks from Feminist
>>>>>>>> Edmonton. They are directly challenging MRAs through a counter-poster
>>>>>>>> campaign and online videos. Their videos are here:
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministEdmonton?feature=watch and
>>>>>>>> they have a website here: http://feministedmonton.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Men's Rights Edmonton has made videos like this in response:
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcI4VPiJVKM&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would love to do a counter-poster campaign here if anyone's
>>>>>>>> interested. The more I hear from some MRAs the more angry I get. They
>>>>>>>> target my videos endlessly with anti-feminist comments and post their own
>>>>>>>> video responses where they don't show their faces. They pull out the most
>>>>>>>> ridiculous arguments for why feminism isn't needed and actually hurts men.
>>>>>>>> They have an endless repository of quotes from people you and I have never
>>>>>>>> heard of who say they're feminists and advocate violence against men. They
>>>>>>>> try to bait you into long, fruitless arguments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this video the guy actually criticizes Because I am a Girl
>>>>>>>> because they don't help boys in developing countries (
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f68U4p7Ml8&list=UUj5Ce3ACuCyGCjmrHydbr_Q&index=7&feature=plcp
>>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They made a video in response to what I thought was a very open
>>>>>>>> post by one of my contributors saying she wished she could work with MRAs
>>>>>>>> if they truly believe in equality. Their video has a picture of a woman in
>>>>>>>> a gorilla mask with the title "Feminist Sans Makeup" and they read her
>>>>>>>> entire post in a mocking voice and invite commenters to attack her
>>>>>>>> arguments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMQkSCdELs).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To some extent I get conflicted - I don't want to make videos or
>>>>>>>> write long posts directly taking them on. I know it's inviting huge amounts
>>>>>>>> of trolling and putting my face/name out there as a target. But I'd love to
>>>>>>>> work on some sort of counter postering campaign involving more people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At any rate, I'm happy to talk more on this issue but for an
>>>>>>>> example of people actively fighting back I would definitely follow up with
>>>>>>>> some of the Feminist Edmonton activists. Also interested to hear what other
>>>>>>>> experience WAM-ers have had in Vancouver.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jarrah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Joanna Chiu <
>>>>>>>> chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey WAM peeps,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Men's Rights group recently did some poster campaigns in
>>>>>>>>> Vancouver.
>>>>>>>>> http://masculism.ca/blog/vancouver-mra-hits-the-streets/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those who haven't heard about MRA's before, these Urban
>>>>>>>>> Dictionary definitions are actually quite accurate:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there any feminist individuals or groups in Vancouver that are
>>>>>>>>> actively resisting against them? Would really like to know. I might write
>>>>>>>>> about this for my next Herizons' column, and a journalism student from
>>>>>>>>> Langara asked me if WAM! members had any comments for an article she's
>>>>>>>>> writing on MRA's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More info on the posters in Vancouver. Some had been torn down.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/10/mens-rights-posters-vancouver_n_1871526.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are the journalist's questions below but please comment on
>>>>>>>>> whatever you find pertinent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Have you encountered/had any experience with the men's rights
>>>>>>>>> movement?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. What is your perception of men's rights activists?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. Men's rights activists have many qualms with the feminist
>>>>>>>>> movement. One thing is, the men's rights movement does not believe that,
>>>>>>>>> historically, the scales of power have been tipped away from women, and
>>>>>>>>> that society is not a patriarchy. As a feminist, what would your response
>>>>>>>>> to that be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4. On issues such as reproductive rights, one of the men's rights
>>>>>>>>> activists I spoke with said that it was an issue of religious beliefs and
>>>>>>>>> not a "war on women." Do you agree/disagree? Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5. Have women achieved equal status in society?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 6. Why do you believe feminism is still relevant?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 7. I asked a men's rights activist about the over-sexualization of
>>>>>>>>> women in the media, the madonna/whore dichotomy, and his thoughts were:
>>>>>>>>> it's not only society's exploitation of female sexuality, but women
>>>>>>>>> exploiting the sexual power they hold over men. I am curious to hear your
>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8. What would you say to anyone who views feminism as an attack on
>>>>>>>>> men's liberties?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 9. Can you point to a point in history, from past to present, when
>>>>>>>>> women have held more power than men?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 10. Do you think the feminist movement is threatened by the men's
>>>>>>>>> rights movement?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>>>>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>>>>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
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