[Wamvan] WAM! Vancouver social Dec. 22nd?

Sun Nov 25 12:24:57 PST 2012

I have heard that the Rhizome Cafe still has some vacancies for its meeting
room for the week before Christmas.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:

> That'll be great! The WAMVan organizers actually have a meeting scheduled
> for Dec. 20 evening. I'm free anytime on the 22nd, though! It sounds like a
> good idea to book something  soon so we can keep that time free during the
> busy holiday season.
>
> It'll be great to get together and catch up and talk about ways to support
> each other's work and collaborate! :)
>
> Would Dec. 22nd work for other people? I'm changing the subject heading.
> Thanks so much for looking into possible venues, Jarrah! They'd have to be
> accessible, not require members to pay money to participate, and be
> centrally located.
>
> Joanna
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Definitely! I'd suggest Thursday night the 20th or Saturday the 22nd
>> daytime. If that works for folks I could start trying to find a place that
>> would work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> If only I could teleport back to Vancouver to cover this story. (I've
>>> been in Hong Kong on a one-year contract position at a newspaper for the
>>> past half year.)
>>>
>>> I'm coming back home for a few weeks starting Dec. 18, though. Can we
>>> all please meet up and do something fun? And brainstorm on how to take over
>>> the world?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Suzette says the dealership that had the signs was at Hastings and
>>>> Knight (Clark).  It was there for a long time, we saw it just a few weeks
>>>> ago, too, but Suzette says she thinks they have taken the signs down.  I
>>>> was having fantasies of throwing eggs, but perhaps someone did that or
>>>> raised a constructive objection - or, maybe the old owner sold out?  Or
>>>> just got fed up with the MR movement people.  Or got busted for something.
>>>> It would be interesting for a journalist to go there and talk to people
>>>> about why they had the signs and why they took them down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, thanks for all the information. Is this MRA business a recent
>>>>> thing in Vancouver that started growing this year?
>>>>>
>>>>> What's been happening at commercial drive & broadway stn, Tami?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to discuss counter measures as well. If we do a counter
>>>>> poster campaign, my worry is they'll just tear down the posters in
>>>>> retaliation for whoever tore down theirs. And I don't think they're worth
>>>>> the printing costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we can make some sort of web poster/infographic to share around
>>>>> social media? Or an online petition? What would we want to ask for? An end
>>>>> to harassment of feminists by MRAs? I don't know, any other ideas? The
>>>>> tricky thing is that you don't want to help them get more publicity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a car dealership here in town with MRI posters all over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Been an ongoing issue here and know a few who were challenging their
>>>>>>> shit on commercial drive & broadway stn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my wireless device
>>>>>>> *All my relations*
>>>>>>> Tami Starlight:Unceded coast Salish territory/Vancouver
>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/Tamistarlight
>>>>>>> Tami_starlight (twitter)
>>>>>>> Cosmictami (skype)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2012-11-24, at 8:42 AM, Jarrah <jarrahhodge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Joanna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You or the journalist should really talk to the folks from Feminist
>>>>>>> Edmonton. They are directly challenging MRAs through a counter-poster
>>>>>>> campaign and online videos. Their videos are here:
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/FeministEdmonton?feature=watch and they
>>>>>>> have a website here: http://feministedmonton.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Men's Rights Edmonton has made videos like this in response:
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcI4VPiJVKM&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to do a counter-poster campaign here if anyone's
>>>>>>> interested. The more I hear from some MRAs the more angry I get. They
>>>>>>> target my videos endlessly with anti-feminist comments and post their own
>>>>>>> video responses where they don't show their faces. They pull out the most
>>>>>>> ridiculous arguments for why feminism isn't needed and actually hurts men.
>>>>>>> They have an endless repository of quotes from people you and I have never
>>>>>>> heard of who say they're feminists and advocate violence against men. They
>>>>>>> try to bait you into long, fruitless arguments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this video the guy actually criticizes Because I am a Girl
>>>>>>> because they don't help boys in developing countries (
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f68U4p7Ml8&list=UUj5Ce3ACuCyGCjmrHydbr_Q&index=7&feature=plcp
>>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They made a video in response to what I thought was a very open post
>>>>>>> by one of my contributors saying she wished she could work with MRAs if
>>>>>>> they truly believe in equality. Their video has a picture of a woman in a
>>>>>>> gorilla mask with the title "Feminist Sans Makeup" and they read her entire
>>>>>>> post in a mocking voice and invite commenters to attack her arguments (
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMQkSCdELs).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To some extent I get conflicted - I don't want to make videos or
>>>>>>> write long posts directly taking them on. I know it's inviting huge amounts
>>>>>>> of trolling and putting my face/name out there as a target. But I'd love to
>>>>>>> work on some sort of counter postering campaign involving more people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At any rate, I'm happy to talk more on this issue but for an example
>>>>>>> of people actively fighting back I would definitely follow up with some of
>>>>>>> the Feminist Edmonton activists. Also interested to hear what other
>>>>>>> experience WAM-ers have had in Vancouver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jarrah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey WAM peeps,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Men's Rights group recently did some poster campaigns in
>>>>>>>> Vancouver. http://masculism.ca/blog/vancouver-mra-hits-the-streets/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those who haven't heard about MRA's before, these Urban
>>>>>>>> Dictionary definitions are actually quite accurate:
>>>>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there any feminist individuals or groups in Vancouver that are
>>>>>>>> actively resisting against them? Would really like to know. I might write
>>>>>>>> about this for my next Herizons' column, and a journalism student from
>>>>>>>> Langara asked me if WAM! members had any comments for an article she's
>>>>>>>> writing on MRA's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More info on the posters in Vancouver. Some had been torn down.
>>>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/10/mens-rights-posters-vancouver_n_1871526.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are the journalist's questions below but please comment on
>>>>>>>> whatever you find pertinent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Have you encountered/had any experience with the men's rights
>>>>>>>> movement?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. What is your perception of men's rights activists?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Men's rights activists have many qualms with the feminist
>>>>>>>> movement. One thing is, the men's rights movement does not believe that,
>>>>>>>> historically, the scales of power have been tipped away from women, and
>>>>>>>> that society is not a patriarchy. As a feminist, what would your response
>>>>>>>> to that be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. On issues such as reproductive rights, one of the men's rights
>>>>>>>> activists I spoke with said that it was an issue of religious beliefs and
>>>>>>>> not a "war on women." Do you agree/disagree? Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Have women achieved equal status in society?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6. Why do you believe feminism is still relevant?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7. I asked a men's rights activist about the over-sexualization of
>>>>>>>> women in the media, the madonna/whore dichotomy, and his thoughts were:
>>>>>>>> it's not only society's exploitation of female sexuality, but women
>>>>>>>> exploiting the sexual power they hold over men. I am curious to hear your
>>>>>>>> thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8. What would you say to anyone who views feminism as an attack on
>>>>>>>> men's liberties?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9. Can you point to a point in history, from past to present, when
>>>>>>>> women have held more power than men?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10. Do you think the feminist movement is threatened by the men's
>>>>>>>> rights movement?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>  Joanna Chiu
>>>>>>>> www.joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com%20/>
>>>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
>>>>>>>> WAM! Vancouver <http://www.wamvancouver.wordpress.com%20/>
>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/joannachiu>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Ph: 5115 8253
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