[Wamvan] Walking for Rape Relief

Mon May 16 22:57:06 PDT 2011

hi all,

sorry haven't read all the strings but do believe this too be an important
issue and def best discussed in person.

if i can support, pls let me know. i can arrange space at the dtes women's
centre (after hours - so empty meeting room basically) in the evenings,
depending on day and if agreeable to others.

in terms of facilitation and 'neutrality': i think a WAM meeting to
facilitate conversation amongst the group and to establish consensus does
about WAM principles require more of a hands-off facilitator than say an
anti-oppression workshop on transphobia facilitated by a trainer on the
specific issue. while of course facilitators of meeting and workshops
should all have an anti-oppression analysis, the *tone* of a meeting vs a
workshop is quite different in terms of level of engagement of the
facilitator.

i do also think a specific agenda is helpful at the outset - ie is it
WAM's trans-inclusion policy (what that means in practice not just
stated); a specific conversation about rape relief (the issues here extend
beyond their trans policy); establishing a broader basis of unity (someone
mentioned decrim and sex work as points of conversation); email list
protocols (ie if someone posts information from or about an organization
that may not meet WAM's to-be-determined mandate). while these are all
overlapping, a focus would be helpful.

just some thoughts, harsha

> Hello again.
>
> I have ties to Vancouver Rape Relief that go back a few years. I want to
> speak with some of the members, who I have worked with, before I take a
> stance on this thread. Tami, Kalamity, I hear you. I do not want to ignore
> oppression in any form, while focusing on some 'greater good.' Frieda,
> thank you for your words on feminists sticking together.
>
> Elyse, I don't think we
> can frame our core values before having this larger debate (which
> Frieda will be included in, end of June.)
>  but I am willing to give it a shot. I am free on the 23 May, 2011.
>
> Thanks for being so alive, people.
> Farida
>
> A
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:30 PM, E J
> <the.xenophiles.violin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I don't want anyone who wishes to participate in the discussion/debate
>> surrounding VRR to feel left out of it, so I think it could be saved for
>> June when Frieda gets back.
>>
>> However, I do think it would be very beneficial for the organizers to
>> meet
>> as soon as possible to discuss and outline the core values of WAM
>> Vancouver,
>> as Kalamity suggested above. I know we've already established that the
>> group
>> is to be trans-inclusive, intersectional, etc. (as per the international
>> WAM
>> statements and our own values as a group), but we may need to formally
>> take
>> a position on some of these issues in order to ensure that everyone's on
>> the
>> same page and to avoid future conflicts.
>>
>> For what it's worth, given VRR's track record, I have a feeling the
>> international WAM would not endorse or support it. (Just being honest
>> here.)
>>
>> Is it possible to divide these into two separate discussions?
>>
>> I'm free on the 22nd and 23rd.
>>
>> Elyse
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Joanna Chiu
>> <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> how would that work? Would we have to pay a fee?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Frieda Werden
>>> <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's get a moderator through the Centre for Dialogue at SFU.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Joanna Chiu
>>>> <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh shoot, I didn't notice that Kalamity was not free next Tuesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do any of these dates work for people?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday, May 22nd
>>>>> Monday, May 23rd
>>>>> Sunday, May 29
>>>>>
>>>>> Frieda: Yes, I agree that our moderator should try her best to
>>>>> withhold
>>>>> her personal opinion in order to effectively moderate.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be hard to find someone that's completely lacks an opinion
>>>>> on
>>>>> these issues, but if someone is willing to fill this role for us,
>>>>> please
>>>>> step up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, can we think of someone outside of WAM that we can
>>>>> approach
>>>>> to help us moderate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Joanna Chiu
>>>>> <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think end of June would be too late. Does next Tuesday evening
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you'll be out of town, maybe we can skype you in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be happy to participate in a group discussion about this
>>>>>>> issue, both to learn and to make my case.  End of June?
>>>>>>>
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