[Wamvan] Walking for Rape Relief

Mon May 16 18:20:23 PDT 2011

I wonder whether we should call a meeting to discuss this in person? I'm
afraid that if we try to tackle such a complex and triggering topic over
email, people will end up confused, hurt and angry.

At the last WAM organizers' meeting, we ran out of time to talk about WAM's
core values and "political non-negotiables". I think that waiting until next
month to talk in person would be too late, and we also want to include
people like Frieda, who isn't on the WAM organizing committee.

Is anyone interested in meeting at a coffee shop (maybe Rhizome?) to talk
this week or next week? My schedule's flexible.

Let us know,

Joanna

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Tami Starlight <tamistarlight at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Cynthia,
>
> Although I agree in principal, about your reply. ("normalizing")
> I suggest replying to me directly, off-list.
>
> I do not believe the issue needs to be redirected to Jamie Lee. (yea -
> people can be ridiculously oppressive in other ways and by default are a
> terrible example for the communities they are in - certainly does not
> represent me in any way, shape, or form)
>
> Agree we need to hold our community accountable and that includes terrible
> organizations like Vancouver Rape Relief. (the oppressive jerks who are in
> positions of authority and power at VRR are still there and I only believe
> the organization will change is when they leave)
>
> Funny how dark oppressive history wishes to minimize, disguise, change and
> erase.
>
> Tami
>
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Cynthia K. <cyn.khoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Tami,
>>
>> I have not read enough about or given enough thought to this issue to
>> state an opinion for any particular view, but I was wondering if it's okay
>> to say something like "worst example of a trans person"? Doesn't that imply
>> there's a certain "appropriate" way to be a trans person? (Unless you mean
>> she did something terrible, that I'm currently unaware of, that makes all
>> trans people look bad?)
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> Cynthia
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:30:02 -0700
>> From: tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>
>> To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] Walking for Rape Relief
>>
>> And I disagree greatly.
>>
>> Your original message speaks loudly.
>> About how you choose to ignore the outward and obvious oppression of an
>> organization.
>>
>> I surely do not believe this is the place for such a discussion and I am
>> very uninterested in your pandering me.
>>
>> You minimize the oppression by your analogy.
>> Your reference to Jamie Lee Hamilton is terrible. She is one of the worst
>> examples of a trans person I have ever met. Many agree - inside and outside
>> the community. I will not spend any more time on that.
>>
>> I can see we will not agree and you seem quite fine with your oppressive
>> views.
>>
>> Telling me I am the one to change these organizations and somehow your not
>> "responsible"?
>>
>> How sad indeed.
>>
>> The change happens from within and without and WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE.
>>
>> Peace out - time to speak about more oppression at a indigenous gathering.
>> Tami
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Dear Tami, et al.
>>
>> I would like to see the battle for trans inclusion fought directly against
>> the patriarchy, with feminist allies, instead of being fought primarily
>> against feminist groups, with patriarchal allies. The fact that feminists
>> are already stigmatized and hated by so many people makes it so easy to
>> mount a damaging campaign against them - it's like shooting fish in a
>> barrel.  All kinds of services for women are under daily attack. The very
>> dailiness of their struggle makes them invisible to media. Violence against
>> women and their children in their homes, discrimination against immigrant
>> women who depend on a violent husband for the food for their children, the
>> roof over their head, their status in the country, all that is just another
>> dog bites man story. When a trans person or group attacks a feminist
>> organization - oh, boy!  Girlfight!  The juicy hateful rumours go far and
>> wide in the media and in the gossip stream, and people have one more reason
>> to diss feminists and diminish the huge commitment and sacrifice of women
>> like the ones who volunteer their souls at Rape Relief or at the Vancouver
>> Women's Health Collective.
>>
>> Last year, I sat with Jamie Lee Hamilton at a Liberal Party women's event
>> as she gloated about how even though the Vancouver Women's Health Collective
>> had, through direct negotiations, changed its policy with respect to opening
>> the DTES Women's Pharmacy to trans persons, the group "didn't apologize," so
>> "nobody in the community will support it" and so she believed it wouldn't
>> survive.  It didn't survive (although the VWH is still trans-inclusive now).
>>
>> Tami, you are a dedicated grassroots journalist, you are living the
>> commitment to social change.  Please recognize these traits in your sisters.
>> even if you don't agree with everything that has gone on. If you want to
>> negotiate change in feminist organizations, please do it directly, and with
>> all the patience, reason and respect that are at your command - just please
>> don't get caught up in the legendary circular firing squads that keep
>> activists picking off each other.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>>
>> Frieda
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Tami Starlight <tamistarlight at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Terribly offensive!!
>>
>> Minimize organizational oppression is NOT OK.
>>
>> http://dawn.thot.net/nixon_v_vrr.html
>>
>> This is but one example of oppression that continues with many of us -
>> including me.
>> The idea that organizations are ok because they help women but oppress
>> others?
>>
>> That a select few oppressive types within the organization wish people
>> would forget they did that and have that as their policy. Of course, many at
>> VRR have no fucking idea - and those in positions of privilege and power
>> within the organization like that.
>>
>> Truth is free but freedom is earned with a lot of vigilance.
>> Tami
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Farida Hussain <faridahussain1 at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Peeps, I'm walking to raise money for the Vancouver Rape Relief and
>> Women's Shelter. I know that some of us have trouble with their exclusivity,
>> but the bottom line is that they offer a safe space for women escaping
>> violence. We can't deny that this is a valuable resource.
>>
>> I'm willing to bus/bike out to wherever you are to collect money for my
>> pledge. Just tell me when and where, and I'll be there -  even if it is for
>> a small sum.
>>
>> You can email me separately at faridahussain1 at gmail.com, or use the
>> listserve - both are fine by me. If you have any
>> comments/questions/objections, I want to hear them.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Farida
>>
>>
>> Ps. The walk is on May 29 2011. Info here:
>> http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/walkathon
>> --
>> *Farida Hussain*
>> Student, Journalist
>> UBC Graduate School of Journalism
>> Phone: 604 649 8619
>>
>>
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