[Wamvan] Walking for Rape Relief

Mon May 16 17:30:02 PDT 2011

And I disagree greatly.

Your original message speaks loudly.
About how you choose to ignore the outward and obvious oppression of an
organization.

I surely do not believe this is the place for such a discussion and I am
very uninterested in your pandering me.

You minimize the oppression by your analogy.
Your reference to Jamie Lee Hamilton is terrible. She is one of the worst
examples of a trans person I have ever met. Many agree - inside and outside
the community. I will not spend any more time on that.

I can see we will not agree and you seem quite fine with your oppressive
views.

Telling me I am the one to change these organizations and somehow your not
"responsible"?

How sad indeed.

The change happens from within and without and WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE.

Peace out - time to speak about more oppression at a indigenous gathering.
Tami

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Tami, et al.
>
> I would like to see the battle for trans inclusion fought directly against
> the patriarchy, with feminist allies, instead of being fought primarily
> against feminist groups, with patriarchal allies. The fact that feminists
> are already stigmatized and hated by so many people makes it so easy to
> mount a damaging campaign against them - it's like shooting fish in a
> barrel.  All kinds of services for women are under daily attack. The very
> dailiness of their struggle makes them invisible to media. Violence against
> women and their children in their homes, discrimination against immigrant
> women who depend on a violent husband for the food for their children, the
> roof over their head, their status in the country, all that is just another
> dog bites man story. When a trans person or group attacks a feminist
> organization - oh, boy!  Girlfight!  The juicy hateful rumours go far and
> wide in the media and in the gossip stream, and people have one more reason
> to diss feminists and diminish the huge commitment and sacrifice of women
> like the ones who volunteer their souls at Rape Relief or at the Vancouver
> Women's Health Collective.
>
> Last year, I sat with Jamie Lee Hamilton at a Liberal Party women's event
> as she gloated about how even though the Vancouver Women's Health Collective
> had, through direct negotiations, changed its policy with respect to opening
> the DTES Women's Pharmacy to trans persons, the group "didn't apologize," so
> "nobody in the community will support it" and so she believed it wouldn't
> survive.  It didn't survive (although the VWH is still trans-inclusive now).
>
> Tami, you are a dedicated grassroots journalist, you are living the
> commitment to social change.  Please recognize these traits in your sisters.
> even if you don't agree with everything that has gone on. If you want to
> negotiate change in feminist organizations, please do it directly, and with
> all the patience, reason and respect that are at your command - just please
> don't get caught up in the legendary circular firing squads that keep
> activists picking off each other.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Frieda
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Tami Starlight <tamistarlight at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Terribly offensive!!
>>
>> Minimize organizational oppression is NOT OK.
>>
>> http://dawn.thot.net/nixon_v_vrr.html
>>
>> This is but one example of oppression that continues with many of us -
>> including me.
>> The idea that organizations are ok because they help women but oppress
>> others?
>>
>> That a select few oppressive types within the organization wish people
>> would forget they did that and have that as their policy. Of course, many at
>> VRR have no fucking idea - and those in positions of privilege and power
>> within the organization like that.
>>
>> Truth is free but freedom is earned with a lot of vigilance.
>> Tami
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Farida Hussain <faridahussain1 at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Peeps, I'm walking to raise money for the Vancouver Rape Relief and
>>> Women's Shelter. I know that some of us have trouble with their exclusivity,
>>> but the bottom line is that they offer a safe space for women escaping
>>> violence. We can't deny that this is a valuable resource.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to bus/bike out to wherever you are to collect money for my
>>> pledge. Just tell me when and where, and I'll be there -  even if it is for
>>> a small sum.
>>>
>>> You can email me separately at faridahussain1 at gmail.com, or use the
>>> listserve - both are fine by me. If you have any
>>> comments/questions/objections, I want to hear them.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Farida
>>>
>>>
>>> Ps. The walk is on May 29 2011. Info here:
>>> http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/walkathon
>>> --
>>> *Farida Hussain*
>>> Student, Journalist
>>> UBC Graduate School of Journalism
>>> Phone: 604 649 8619
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Meegwetch/Thank you/Merci
>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>> Vancouver, Canada
>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
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> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
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