[Wamvan] re-titled: Prostitution Views

Mon Jun 13 21:29:38 PDT 2011

I believe if you count the total emails since the list began that your posts
will far outnumber mine, Tami.  As you are apparently now the listcop, I ask
that you do this task before getting on my case!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Tami Starlight <tamistarlight at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello people on the WAM listserv.
>
> This is Tami Starlight.
> The admin of the WAM Van listserv.
> (amongst other things WAM Vancouver)
>
> I trust your are all keeping well.
>
> At the risk of making more traffic.
> I am emailing a listserv reminder of over use of this list, especially when
> posting the same posting.
> Surely I am referring to yourself Frieda.
> We had one person ask to leave the listserv today as a result of over
> traffic.
> I believe you are "over doing it".
> I am now formally requesting you review your posting conduct here.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tami
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Apologies for re-posting, but I realized belatedly that the old subject
>> line might have caused this post to be overlooked.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] Fwd: question about WAM
>> To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>>
>>
>> I've spent a fair amount of time researching and covering various reports
>> on and analyses of prostitution legalization /decriminalization/ abolition
>> issues.  I think as with most issues every solution has its own problems,
>> meaning that nothing about it is actually simple in reality.  Some members
>> of the list may find of interest this blog post I wrote about Libby Davies'
>> position on the issue, which includes some useful links:
>>
>>
>> http://mtpleaseaunt.blogspot.com/2008/10/libby-davies-work-on-sex-worker-issues.html
>>
>> Davies clarified her position to me as favouring decriminalization but not
>> legalization - the latter would open to possible scenarios such as
>> licensing, zoning, mandatory health checks, and corporatization of
>> prostitution -- also, the potential for denial of government welfare to
>> women on the grounds that they could accept work in the sex trade.
>>
>> Here is a link to where the last few years of WINGS half-hour radio
>> programs are archived:
>> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramList.cfm?seriesID=53684
>> Our coverage of prostitution goes back a full 25 years and I don't have
>> online links to any of the earlier ones that might have been of interest,
>> such as Prostitions and Unions in Australia, and Prostitutes' Human Rights
>> (originally aired on WPFW in Washington DC).
>>
>> Here are three specific fairly recent examples that you could download or
>> stream online, featuring a variety of perspectives.  Each is a half hour
>> long.  Let me know if you have any trouble with the links as I can provide
>> them from another source:
>> *
>> WINGS #25-10 UK & Europe Sex Laws*
>> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=104487
>> This one contrasts the UK Labour Party and Liberal Democratic Party ideas.
>> *
>> WINGS #02-09 Rescues from Brothels<http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=84208>
>> *
>> The group Sanlaap works with women in prostitution and police to rescue
>> and educate girls who have been trafficked into the brothels of Calcutta.
>> Interview with Indrani Sinha, founder/director, Sanlaap, Calcutta, India
>> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=84208
>>
>> *WINGS #35-09 Red Light on Redlight*
>> *Description:* On October 10, 2003, Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's
>> Shelter held a public forum to discuss whether the Canadian city should open
>> a "redlight district" before the 2010 Winter Olympics. Among the five
>> panelists who said no were two First Nations women -- Terri Brown of the
>> Native Women's Association, and Cherry Kingsley, from the International
>> Centre to Combat Exploitation of Children, herself formerly a child working
>> in the sex trade.
>> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=93224
>>
>> Somewhere - I don't see the link right now - I believe WINGS also has a
>> program about the highly racialized nature of corporate prostitution and
>> pornography.
>>
>> Maria Perdotter did a very balanced story about the Ontario decision for
>> an edition of Groundwire - the national campus and community radio news
>> (produced at CJSF).  That show link is here:
>> http://previous.ncra.ca/groundwire/index.cfm/2010/10/26/GroundWire-Oct25Nov8-Sex-in-Prison--Homeless-Shelters--Prostitution-Laws--NO-TANKS-
>> (Mandavni also has a story in that edition).
>>
>> I also call your attention to an episode of The F-Word reflecting on the
>> Ontario decision when it first came down - I have seen the link on the
>> Vancouver Coop Radio website, but don't have it to hand right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Tami Starlight <tamistarlight at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jaclyn and members of WAM Vancouver.
>>>
>>> I believe we need to discuss this in detail at our organizational meeting
>>> tomorrow.
>>>
>>> My position is very simple.
>>> Abolition is quite destructive and usually comes from women & men (in
>>> that order) who have tons of privilege and are not (experienced) sex
>>> workers. Much like drug prohibition and anti abortion. Trust me, there is
>>> much in common with these. Certainly falls within my understanding that
>>> nothing is "disconnected" and that all things are connected. That all people
>>> being equal, people should be allowed to live the kind of life they wish.
>>> (as long as it does not adversely affect others - or mother earth too
>>> greatly) Yet, in a world out of balance and based on a societal system of
>>> imbalance and inequality, well that is impossible, We can strive for steps
>>> towards something better.
>>>
>>> So in conclusion.
>>> Views that restrict than liberate are not part of what I wish to be part
>>> of.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your reply to the group as a whole Jacklyn.
>>> I believe that transparency and accountability are vital to WAM
>>> Vancouver.
>>> Just as important as the founding principals, anti oppression and
>>> equality to which many of us have fought long and hard for. (& continue to)
>>>
>>> I hope to connect with you on skype or landline sometime Jaclyn?
>>> (please email me personally with some days & times that work for you?)
>>>
>>> Meegwetch/Thank you/Merci
>>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>>> Vancouver, Canada
>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>> tami.cosmic (facebook)
>>> tami_starlight (twitter)
>>> 604-200-2445home
>>> 604-790-9943cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jaclyn Friedman <
>>> jaclyn at womenactionmedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just to be clear, chapters are free to operate how they like, as long as
>>>> they are in accordance with our values. If WAM!Vancouver wants to take
>>>> positions on issues WAM! as a whole doesn't take positions on, that's fine,
>>>> as long as it doesn't conflict with our core values. It would have been both
>>>> considerate and helpful to know why you were asking, and where my answer was
>>>> going, so I could have given you the actual information you need.
>>>>
>>>> -Jaclyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Joanna,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote Jaclyn and another WAM international member individually with a
>>>>> general inquiry about how WAM works; I did not post or receive anything from
>>>>> the WAM list - I don't belong to it at present, although I sometimes see
>>>>> items from that list that are forwarded to other lists I belong to.  I don't
>>>>> know if WAM has a policy about not forwarding items, and if they do whether
>>>>> people who forward items are violating the policy.  However, I'm sure I
>>>>> haven't received anything defaming anyone or violating confidences, just
>>>>> various kinds of leads for feminist media and announcements about WAM
>>>>> activities and media covering WAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not knowing that Jaclyn is on our list, I was careful not to say
>>>>> anything specific about our chapter in my query; but indeed my question to
>>>>> Jaclyn was stimulated by an item up for discussion in tomorrow's meeting.
>>>>> It wasn't clear to me whether WAMVan was going to try to come up with an
>>>>> organizational stance on the issue, and I wanted to know whether that would
>>>>> be something normal for WAM or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it is not.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, good that a discussion is planned, and good that no organizational
>>>>> stance will be created and enforced. I just heard that the Ontario Court of
>>>>> Appeals has upheld the original ruling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Frieda,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you forward your communication with Jaclyn to the listserv for a
>>>>>> particular reason? Did you get her permission to share the correspondence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't speak for WAM international, but at WAM Vancouver, members and
>>>>>> organizers have a range of opinions on sex work, and our prerogative is not
>>>>>> to push for consensus. Rather, we'd like to maintain a safer, respectful
>>>>>> space for the open discussion of feminist issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, we still have core values that we would enforce. For example,
>>>>>> since WAM international is gender-inclusive, WAM Vancouver will also not
>>>>>> tolerate discrimination on the basis of gender orientation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that make sense? Please contact me if you have any questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can read more about WAM international's core values here:
>>>>>> http://www.womenactionmedia.org/about/values/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Jaclyn Friedman <jaclyn at womenactionmedia.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: question about WAM
>>>>>>> To: Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Ariel Dougherty <arielcamera at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, we don't. That's not part of how we work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does the international WAM develop and take stands on issues, such
>>>>>>>> as whether the members should support or oppose either legalization or
>>>>>>>> abolition of prostitution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
>>>>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
>>>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Joanna Chiu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Freelance Writer
>>>>>> joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com/>
>>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Organizer, WAM! Vancouver
>>>>>> wamvancouver.wordpress.com
>>>>>> twitter.com/wamvancity
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
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