[Wamvan] re-titled: Prostitution Views

Mon Jun 13 21:13:31 PDT 2011

Hello people on the WAM listserv.

This is Tami Starlight.
The admin of the WAM Van listserv.
(amongst other things WAM Vancouver)

I trust your are all keeping well.

At the risk of making more traffic.
I am emailing a listserv reminder of over use of this list, especially when
posting the same posting.
Surely I am referring to yourself Frieda.
We had one person ask to leave the listserv today as a result of over
traffic.
I believe you are "over doing it".
I am now formally requesting you review your posting conduct here.

Thank you.

Tami

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:

> Apologies for re-posting, but I realized belatedly that the old subject
> line might have caused this post to be overlooked.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wamvan] Fwd: question about WAM
> To: wamvan at lists.resist.ca
>
>
> I've spent a fair amount of time researching and covering various reports
> on and analyses of prostitution legalization /decriminalization/ abolition
> issues.  I think as with most issues every solution has its own problems,
> meaning that nothing about it is actually simple in reality.  Some members
> of the list may find of interest this blog post I wrote about Libby Davies'
> position on the issue, which includes some useful links:
>
>
> http://mtpleaseaunt.blogspot.com/2008/10/libby-davies-work-on-sex-worker-issues.html
>
> Davies clarified her position to me as favouring decriminalization but not
> legalization - the latter would open to possible scenarios such as
> licensing, zoning, mandatory health checks, and corporatization of
> prostitution -- also, the potential for denial of government welfare to
> women on the grounds that they could accept work in the sex trade.
>
> Here is a link to where the last few years of WINGS half-hour radio
> programs are archived:
> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramList.cfm?seriesID=53684
> Our coverage of prostitution goes back a full 25 years and I don't have
> online links to any of the earlier ones that might have been of interest,
> such as Prostitions and Unions in Australia, and Prostitutes' Human Rights
> (originally aired on WPFW in Washington DC).
>
> Here are three specific fairly recent examples that you could download or
> stream online, featuring a variety of perspectives.  Each is a half hour
> long.  Let me know if you have any trouble with the links as I can provide
> them from another source:
> *
> WINGS #25-10 UK & Europe Sex Laws*
> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=104487
> This one contrasts the UK Labour Party and Liberal Democratic Party ideas.
> *
> WINGS #02-09 Rescues from Brothels<http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=84208>
> *
> The group Sanlaap works with women in prostitution and police to rescue and
> educate girls who have been trafficked into the brothels of Calcutta.
> Interview with Indrani Sinha, founder/director, Sanlaap, Calcutta, India
> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=84208
>
> *WINGS #35-09 Red Light on Redlight*
> *Description:* On October 10, 2003, Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's
> Shelter held a public forum to discuss whether the Canadian city should open
> a "redlight district" before the 2010 Winter Olympics. Among the five
> panelists who said no were two First Nations women -- Terri Brown of the
> Native Women's Association, and Cherry Kingsley, from the International
> Centre to Combat Exploitation of Children, herself formerly a child working
> in the sex trade.
> http://previous.ncra.ca/exchange/dspProgramDetail.cfm?programID=93224
>
> Somewhere - I don't see the link right now - I believe WINGS also has a
> program about the highly racialized nature of corporate prostitution and
> pornography.
>
> Maria Perdotter did a very balanced story about the Ontario decision for an
> edition of Groundwire - the national campus and community radio news
> (produced at CJSF).  That show link is here:
> http://previous.ncra.ca/groundwire/index.cfm/2010/10/26/GroundWire-Oct25Nov8-Sex-in-Prison--Homeless-Shelters--Prostitution-Laws--NO-TANKS-
> (Mandavni also has a story in that edition).
>
> I also call your attention to an episode of The F-Word reflecting on the
> Ontario decision when it first came down - I have seen the link on the
> Vancouver Coop Radio website, but don't have it to hand right now.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Tami Starlight <tamistarlight at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Jaclyn and members of WAM Vancouver.
>>
>> I believe we need to discuss this in detail at our organizational meeting
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> My position is very simple.
>> Abolition is quite destructive and usually comes from women & men (in that
>> order) who have tons of privilege and are not (experienced) sex workers.
>> Much like drug prohibition and anti abortion. Trust me, there is much in
>> common with these. Certainly falls within my understanding that nothing is
>> "disconnected" and that all things are connected. That all people being
>> equal, people should be allowed to live the kind of life they wish. (as long
>> as it does not adversely affect others - or mother earth too greatly) Yet,
>> in a world out of balance and based on a societal system of imbalance and
>> inequality, well that is impossible, We can strive for steps towards
>> something better.
>>
>> So in conclusion.
>> Views that restrict than liberate are not part of what I wish to be part
>> of.
>>
>> I appreciate your reply to the group as a whole Jacklyn.
>> I believe that transparency and accountability are vital to WAM Vancouver.
>> Just as important as the founding principals, anti oppression and equality
>> to which many of us have fought long and hard for. (& continue to)
>>
>> I hope to connect with you on skype or landline sometime Jaclyn?
>> (please email me personally with some days & times that work for you?)
>>
>> Meegwetch/Thank you/Merci
>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>> Vancouver, Canada
>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>> tami.cosmic (facebook)
>> tami_starlight (twitter)
>> 604-200-2445home
>> 604-790-9943cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Jaclyn Friedman <
>> jaclyn at womenactionmedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to be clear, chapters are free to operate how they like, as long as
>>> they are in accordance with our values. If WAM!Vancouver wants to take
>>> positions on issues WAM! as a whole doesn't take positions on, that's fine,
>>> as long as it doesn't conflict with our core values. It would have been both
>>> considerate and helpful to know why you were asking, and where my answer was
>>> going, so I could have given you the actual information you need.
>>>
>>> -Jaclyn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Joanna,
>>>>
>>>> I wrote Jaclyn and another WAM international member individually with a
>>>> general inquiry about how WAM works; I did not post or receive anything from
>>>> the WAM list - I don't belong to it at present, although I sometimes see
>>>> items from that list that are forwarded to other lists I belong to.  I don't
>>>> know if WAM has a policy about not forwarding items, and if they do whether
>>>> people who forward items are violating the policy.  However, I'm sure I
>>>> haven't received anything defaming anyone or violating confidences, just
>>>> various kinds of leads for feminist media and announcements about WAM
>>>> activities and media covering WAM.
>>>>
>>>> Not knowing that Jaclyn is on our list, I was careful not to say
>>>> anything specific about our chapter in my query; but indeed my question to
>>>> Jaclyn was stimulated by an item up for discussion in tomorrow's meeting.
>>>> It wasn't clear to me whether WAMVan was going to try to come up with an
>>>> organizational stance on the issue, and I wanted to know whether that would
>>>> be something normal for WAM or not.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently it is not.
>>>>
>>>> So, good that a discussion is planned, and good that no organizational
>>>> stance will be created and enforced. I just heard that the Ontario Court of
>>>> Appeals has upheld the original ruling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Joanna Chiu <chiu.joanna5 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Frieda,
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you forward your communication with Jaclyn to the listserv for a
>>>>> particular reason? Did you get her permission to share the correspondence?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't speak for WAM international, but at WAM Vancouver, members and
>>>>> organizers have a range of opinions on sex work, and our prerogative is not
>>>>> to push for consensus. Rather, we'd like to maintain a safer, respectful
>>>>> space for the open discussion of feminist issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, we still have core values that we would enforce. For example,
>>>>> since WAM international is gender-inclusive, WAM Vancouver will also not
>>>>> tolerate discrimination on the basis of gender orientation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that make sense? Please contact me if you have any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can read more about WAM international's core values here:
>>>>> http://www.womenactionmedia.org/about/values/
>>>>>
>>>>> Joanna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Jaclyn Friedman <jaclyn at womenactionmedia.org>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:03 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: question about WAM
>>>>>> To: Frieda Werden <frieda.werden at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Ariel Dougherty <arielcamera at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, we don't. That's not part of how we work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Frieda Werden <
>>>>>> frieda.werden at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the international WAM develop and take stands on issues, such as
>>>>>>> whether the members should support or oppose either legalization or
>>>>>>> abolition of prostitution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
>>>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
>>>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joanna Chiu
>>>>>
>>>>> Freelance Writer
>>>>> joannachiu.com <http://www.joannachiu.com/>
>>>>> twitter.com/joannachiu
>>>>>
>>>>> Organizer, WAM! Vancouver
>>>>> wamvancouver.wordpress.com
>>>>> twitter.com/wamvancity
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
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> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
>
>
>
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