[Viva] Voices

Thu Mar 19 17:39:38 PDT 2020

 Good points, Margarite

I always gain exceptional insight from opportunities to gather with women.
Mixed groups have an equal but different dynamic.  It is like the
difference between a group of friends who are all there together with their
partners .. and a group sharing stories and laughs without their partners
present.  A different kind of dynamic emerges; stories shared that might
not be comfortable with a partner present; deeper level of connection.  And
then, when a central common force exists within a group, combined with the
distinctly singular common ground of identity as female, the insights of
the common force become stark.  At the same time, comfort and safety is
implied by a common understanding.  I, for one, do not comfortably explain
the way HIV has affected every corner of life (not just the health
perspective) to someone who has no first hand knowledge.  I *do* explain
myself, by way of my own little educational and preventive contributions,
but I always feel inwardly nervous and second-rate.  VIVA is a unique forum.

A larger entity than the listserv would be brilliant.  The question is, how
do we make that happen when we tend to be geographically scattered?  No
matter what we do, gathering requires at least a minimal expense
individually and collectively.  Not impossible but certainly a
consideration.  (I know too well how thinly spread a monthly income is.)
Wouldn't it be great if a physical group could gather that, as well as
being socially supportive, could generate some kind of business venture
that would financially improve our lot?  (again ... no specifically
complete thought here)

I don't really know what is meant by "programming".  Does that mean
services like Positive Living had?

Just my 2 cent processing ...
hugs all around ...
Danielle

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:26 PM Margarite Sanchez <
margaritesanchez at gmail.com> wrote:

> My answer is YES.
> I like having a place to stay connected and to know what is going on in
> the community.
> A huge Thank You to Tami for maintaining the listserv all these years -
> that's been amazing!
>
> But my questions to all of you are:
> Do we want to be a larger entity than the listserv?
> Do we want to have a physical presence?
> Do we want to be able to have programming?
>
> virtual hugs to all,
> Margarite
>

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 11:23, Charlene Anderson <pickles4 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Ditto.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Margarite Sanchez <
> margaritesanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Ditto Anne and Denise.
>
> Love ❤,
> M
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:23 AM anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Aw Shelly it's ok. Thinks are getting a bit freaky so I understand why
>> you're feeling tense. Having reduced lung capacity sounds very hard in
>> itself, and downright scary now. I hope you have support while you hole up
>> and wait out this storm.
>>
>> Please reach out if you need anything, we are all here for you. 💕
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:01 AM Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We all know your're a bright, beautiful and lovely person, Shelly.
>>> We're all on the edge right now but we will get through!  Love to you, my
>>> friend.
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:47 AM shelly tognazzini <
>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I just want to say I am so sorry if you read my email as divisive.
>>>> Anne, I am truly sorry I snapped at you, I am not doing well.  I am scared
>>>> and just trying my best.  I start brand new meds today for my COPD and am
>>>> nervous about the potential side effects.
>>>>
>>>> I was diagnosed with Severe COPD with 42% lung capacity last month and
>>>> I am starting Spiriva today which is a long acting bronchodilator in
>>>> addition to my rescue puffer.
>>>>
>>>> My anxiety is heightened, along with also having been diagnosed with
>>>> Hypothyroid last month, adjusting to Synthroid- it seems to be starting to
>>>> make a difference - hard to determine what are side effects and what is
>>>> just anxiety and depression.
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, I just wanted to send love out and say good morning- hope
>>>> everyone is hanging in there.  I am truly sorry if I offended anyone in any
>>>> way.
>>>> Big hugs and love,
>>>> Shelly 💖
>>>>
>>>> My answer is yes
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:26 PM Margarite Sanchez <
>>>> margaritesanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My answer is YES.
>>>>> I like having a place to stay connected and to know what is going on
>>>>> in the community.
>>>>> A huge Thank You to Tami for maintaining the listserv all these years
>>>>> - that's been amazing!
>>>>>
>>>>> But my questions to all of you are:
>>>>> Do we want to be a larger entity than the listserv?
>>>>> Do we want to have a physical presence?
>>>>> Do we want to be able to have programming?
>>>>>
>>>>> virtual hugs to all,
>>>>> Margarite
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:52 PM M. L. <ggiggles2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> YES
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:16 AM pegfrank <pegfrank at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, from Peg. We are a diverse group connected by a virus.  I
>>>>>>> wonder if there is covid-19 community that offers support for those
>>>>>>> infected. One of the things that has kept me going the last couple of weeks
>>>>>>> is humour.  If it is helpful to others, let's also share that through VIVA.
>>>>>>> And toilet paper… :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Danielle Lucia <
>>>>>>> northern.islander at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shelly... and everyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what to say exactly.  That is nothing new.   My voice
>>>>>>> to make a difference was never very loud.  In the past, when I could be
>>>>>>> physically present, I was good at hands-on grunt work.  Making ideas and
>>>>>>> plans was not my forte.  Likewise has it been for me as a member of VIVA.
>>>>>>> I am the quiet one who is rarely seen although, to be honest,  that has a
>>>>>>> lot to do with island remoteness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isolation is not new to me.  In 3 decades I have grappled with HIV,
>>>>>>> tuberculosis, and chronic kidney disease.   Adopting a cloistered lifestyle
>>>>>>> was simply a practical side effect of  self-care.   Now we all face an
>>>>>>> imposed isolation that may go on for months rather than a few weeks.   In
>>>>>>> my experience, the narrowing scope of a life separated from society gives
>>>>>>> me very little of  import or interest to share with others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All that said, I sense that a line of communication, this VIVA
>>>>>>> list,  should remain open because it seems to me that some of you may have
>>>>>>> ideas and plans for making something happen, whereas  I'm afraid I
>>>>>>> am so out of touch with community that I don't even have an idea of *what*
>>>>>>> is needed.   I can only have the *possibility *to contribute if
>>>>>>> this forum stays available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stay safe out there!
>>>>>>> ♡ Danielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:06 PM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering all, I am feeling like if ViVA needs to make a
>>>>>>>> difference, it does now.   If there are women that want to speak and
>>>>>>>> share,  and use this platform, now would be a good time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am ok.  I am stocked up. My health is not as great.   I gradually
>>>>>>>> bought supplies, one can and a store at a time actually.  My recent
>>>>>>>> diagnosis of COPD scares me more than HIV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many women are listening?  Speak up if you want ViVA to
>>>>>>>> continue,  I think we need to recognize whether we actually have an
>>>>>>>> audience or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If not, then we can cease and redefine.  Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hugs, looking forward to voices or a reason to stop worrying,
>>>>>>>> Shelly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I have been and still am a seeker,but I have ceased to question
>>>>>>> stars and books;I have begun to listen to the teachings*
>>>>>>> *My blood whispers to me.*”
>>>>>>> - Herman Hesse
>>>>>>>
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