[Viva] Voices

Wed Mar 18 10:16:25 PDT 2020

yes

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:54 PM Kath Webster <kathwebster at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My answer is YES - I need to stay connected to my poz sisters.
>
> Take good care and stay well everyone !
> Kath
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 7:12 PM, shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> I spoke with Tami.  She will respond.  This was not my intention.  I was
> simply asking who was listening.   604 440-1579.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:05 PM Charlene Anderson <pickles4 at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes
>> Char
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shelly.. please let's work together  Anne said nothing wrong. Tami said
>> her piece, Anne said hers, I didn't see any divisiveness between them. It's
>> freedom of speech and we all have it and we can't abuse it.
>>
>> My own feeling is that we have to be a team if we are to move forward.
>> When I was talking about the blame game, I was talking about people blaming
>> Chinese, people blaming others for Covid.. it's out there and it's a
>> reminder of how people used to look for someone to blame for the AIDS
>> crisis in the early 90's.
>>
>> At the end of this month, Positive Living will be closed - it probably is
>> already. Let's think if we want to continue on this Listserve.
>>
>> I would love to see a simple answer - Yes if you are engaged and want to
>> carry on, No meaning you have no time for this or don't want to carry on
>> and ---- if you have no thoughts on the subject.
>>
>> My answer is YES
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:36 PM shelly tognazzini <
>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Truly.  I would defend your own battles Anne.  Tami is my friend.  She
>>> can speak for herself.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:29 PM shelly tognazzini <
>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tami is my friend. There is no blame going on in my head whatsoever.
>>>> Get a grip.  Tami is way above the blame game .  Take care all.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:03 AM Denise Wozniak <
>>>> deniseswozniak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm here watching and reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting into the Blame Game helps no one. We can learn from the past
>>>>> and move forward. Thank you Anne Bonner for showing kindness. If you are
>>>>> undetectable, there is information that you will not be at added risk,
>>>>> which is a relief.  I try to think of the fear when I got HIV and hiding my
>>>>> diagnosis over 25 years ago. This seems much less horrific than that. We
>>>>> have shown the world we can carry on despite the stigma.  We are leaders
>>>>> and have been through worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep strong everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Tami is taking it seriously. I feel like a lot of us are on
>>>>>> the outskirts of this group for various reasons, and that's ok. But when
>>>>>> someone speaks up with a concern, we need to listen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work
>>>>>> to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. A lot of people are going into isolation and we need to
>>>>>> stick together, support one another, listen to each other, and reach out
>>>>>> when we need help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And get along, damit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anybody needs an ear in the next while, if you're feeling lonesome
>>>>>> or struggling with sobriety or anything like that, feel free to shoot me a
>>>>>> text and we can set up a time to talk. If you only have a landline, just
>>>>>> call me. 250-208-6124. I have time on my hands these days!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:53 AM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are the one amongst founding members .  Your voice is respected
>>>>>>> here.   You manage the list serve.   We  respect that .  You are managing
>>>>>>> this minor link to wlhiv.  Take it seriously .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Tami Starlight<
>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tansi people,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tami here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> founding member of VIVA and listserv admin/creator.
>>>>>>>> blaaa blaaa...and so on and so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i exclaim the blaa blaaas......because our world is so upside down
>>>>>>>> and backwards with titles and social agency abusers.
>>>>>>>> I call much of it - colonization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i definitely am acutely aware of the covid-19 scare that is
>>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>>> all over the news - matter of fact - it is all there is to report
>>>>>>>> about now, it seems. thats some bullshit.
>>>>>>>> i am down with educating the public about minimizing its spread
>>>>>>>> and especially for people like us, with compromised immunity and other
>>>>>>>> conditions that makes ones health a vulnerable population.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have been in the background of VIVA for sometime now. years
>>>>>>>> actually.
>>>>>>>> a few reasons, one being how much supports and lowering
>>>>>>>> transmission rates, better meds and so on.
>>>>>>>> that and the amount of cis white men running the non profit
>>>>>>>> industrial complex since the big hay days in the late 1990's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i certainly have witnessed my fare share of oppression within VIVA
>>>>>>>> as a two spirit trans experienced woman.
>>>>>>>> for me, that is paramount to strong inclusive circles. that airy
>>>>>>>> fairy nonsense that there is some magical unity that appears out of the
>>>>>>>> sky? hardly, it is hard and fought for by the very people DIRECTLY
>>>>>>>> AFFECTED. this is easily understood by those positive people who fought for
>>>>>>>> their place in the world, especially the medical community. GIPA/MIPA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i wonder how many in this list are anti trans?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> division and oppression are viruses. they toxify and harm our
>>>>>>>> community daily, unless checked and treated - through education and
>>>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the
>>>>>>>> work to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ALL OUR RELATIONS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hiy Hiy/Thank you/Merci
>>>>>>>> *She-Her-Hers / They-Them-Theirs*
>>>>>>>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>>>>>>>> Unceded Coast Salish Territory
>>>>>>>> Vancouver, Canada
>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>>>> http://theantioppressionnetwork.com
>>>>>>>> <http://theantioppressionnetwork.wordpress.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/  <https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheCoalitionAgainstTransAntagonism/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> twitter/instagram = @noterfsnoswerfs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:52 PM Danielle Lucia <
>>>>>>>> northern.islander at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Shelly... and everyone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know what to say exactly.  That is nothing new.   My voice
>>>>>>>>> to make a difference was never very loud.  In the past, when I could be
>>>>>>>>> physically present, I was good at hands-on grunt work.  Making ideas and
>>>>>>>>> plans was not my forte.  Likewise has it been for me as a member of VIVA.
>>>>>>>>> I am the quiet one who is rarely seen although, to be honest,  that has a
>>>>>>>>> lot to do with island remoteness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isolation is not new to me.  In 3 decades I have grappled with
>>>>>>>>> HIV, tuberculosis, and chronic kidney disease.   Adopting a cloistered
>>>>>>>>> lifestyle was simply a practical side effect of  self-care.   Now we all
>>>>>>>>> face an imposed isolation that may go on for months rather than a few
>>>>>>>>> weeks.   In my experience, the narrowing scope of a life separated from
>>>>>>>>> society gives me very little of  import or interest to share with others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All that said, I sense that a line of communication, this VIVA
>>>>>>>>> list,  should remain open because it seems to me that some of you may have
>>>>>>>>> ideas and plans for making something happen, whereas  I'm afraid
>>>>>>>>> I am so out of touch with community that I don't even have an idea of
>>>>>>>>> *what* is needed.   I can only have the *possibility *to
>>>>>>>>> contribute if this forum stays available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stay safe out there!
>>>>>>>>> ♡ Danielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:06 PM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Considering all, I am feeling like if ViVA needs to make a
>>>>>>>>>> difference, it does now.   If there are women that want to speak and
>>>>>>>>>> share,  and use this platform, now would be a good time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am ok.  I am stocked up. My health is not as great.   I
>>>>>>>>>> gradually bought supplies, one can and a store at a time actually.  My
>>>>>>>>>> recent diagnosis of COPD scares me more than HIV.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How many women are listening?  Speak up if you want ViVA to
>>>>>>>>>> continue,  I think we need to recognize whether we actually have an
>>>>>>>>>> audience or not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If not, then we can cease and redefine.  Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hugs, looking forward to voices or a reason to stop worrying,
>>>>>>>>>> Shelly
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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