[Viva] Voices

Tue Mar 17 19:12:29 PDT 2020

I spoke with Tami.  She will respond.  This was not my intention.  I was
simply asking who was listening.   604 440-1579.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:05 PM Charlene Anderson <pickles4 at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Yes
> Char
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Shelly.. please let's work together  Anne said nothing wrong. Tami said
> her piece, Anne said hers, I didn't see any divisiveness between them. It's
> freedom of speech and we all have it and we can't abuse it.
>
> My own feeling is that we have to be a team if we are to move forward.
> When I was talking about the blame game, I was talking about people blaming
> Chinese, people blaming others for Covid.. it's out there and it's a
> reminder of how people used to look for someone to blame for the AIDS
> crisis in the early 90's.
>
> At the end of this month, Positive Living will be closed - it probably is
> already. Let's think if we want to continue on this Listserve.
>
> I would love to see a simple answer - Yes if you are engaged and want to
> carry on, No meaning you have no time for this or don't want to carry on
> and ---- if you have no thoughts on the subject.
>
> My answer is YES
>
> Denise
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:36 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Truly.  I would defend your own battles Anne.  Tami is my friend.  She
>> can speak for herself.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:29 PM shelly tognazzini <
>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tami is my friend. There is no blame going on in my head whatsoever.
>>> Get a grip.  Tami is way above the blame game .  Take care all.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:03 AM Denise Wozniak <
>>> deniseswozniak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm here watching and reading.
>>>>
>>>> Getting into the Blame Game helps no one. We can learn from the past
>>>> and move forward. Thank you Anne Bonner for showing kindness. If you are
>>>> undetectable, there is information that you will not be at added risk,
>>>> which is a relief.  I try to think of the fear when I got HIV and hiding my
>>>> diagnosis over 25 years ago. This seems much less horrific than that. We
>>>> have shown the world we can carry on despite the stigma.  We are leaders
>>>> and have been through worse.
>>>>
>>>> Keep strong everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Denise
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think Tami is taking it seriously. I feel like a lot of us are on
>>>>> the outskirts of this group for various reasons, and that's ok. But when
>>>>> someone speaks up with a concern, we need to listen.
>>>>>
>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work
>>>>> to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. A lot of people are going into isolation and we need to stick
>>>>> together, support one another, listen to each other, and reach out when we
>>>>> need help.
>>>>>
>>>>> And get along, damit.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anybody needs an ear in the next while, if you're feeling lonesome
>>>>> or struggling with sobriety or anything like that, feel free to shoot me a
>>>>> text and we can set up a time to talk. If you only have a landline, just
>>>>> call me. 250-208-6124. I have time on my hands these days!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:53 AM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are the one amongst founding members .  Your voice is respected
>>>>>> here.   You manage the list serve.   We  respect that .  You are managing
>>>>>> this minor link to wlhiv.  Take it seriously .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Tami Starlight<
>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tansi people,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tami here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> founding member of VIVA and listserv admin/creator.
>>>>>>> blaaa blaaa...and so on and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i exclaim the blaa blaaas......because our world is so upside down
>>>>>>> and backwards with titles and social agency abusers.
>>>>>>> I call much of it - colonization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i definitely am acutely aware of the covid-19 scare that is
>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>> all over the news - matter of fact - it is all there is to report
>>>>>>> about now, it seems. thats some bullshit.
>>>>>>> i am down with educating the public about minimizing its spread  and
>>>>>>> especially for people like us, with compromised immunity and other
>>>>>>> conditions that makes ones health a vulnerable population.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i have been in the background of VIVA for sometime now. years
>>>>>>> actually.
>>>>>>> a few reasons, one being how much supports and lowering transmission
>>>>>>> rates, better meds and so on.
>>>>>>> that and the amount of cis white men running the non profit
>>>>>>> industrial complex since the big hay days in the late 1990's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i certainly have witnessed my fare share of oppression within VIVA
>>>>>>> as a two spirit trans experienced woman.
>>>>>>> for me, that is paramount to strong inclusive circles. that airy
>>>>>>> fairy nonsense that there is some magical unity that appears out of the
>>>>>>> sky? hardly, it is hard and fought for by the very people DIRECTLY
>>>>>>> AFFECTED. this is easily understood by those positive people who fought for
>>>>>>> their place in the world, especially the medical community. GIPA/MIPA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i wonder how many in this list are anti trans?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> division and oppression are viruses. they toxify and harm our
>>>>>>> community daily, unless checked and treated - through education and
>>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work
>>>>>>> to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALL OUR RELATIONS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hiy Hiy/Thank you/Merci
>>>>>>> *She-Her-Hers / They-Them-Theirs*
>>>>>>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>>>>>>> Unceded Coast Salish Territory
>>>>>>> Vancouver, Canada
>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>>> http://theantioppressionnetwork.com
>>>>>>> <http://theantioppressionnetwork.wordpress.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/  <https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheCoalitionAgainstTransAntagonism/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twitter/instagram = @noterfsnoswerfs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:52 PM Danielle Lucia <
>>>>>>> northern.islander at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Shelly... and everyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know what to say exactly.  That is nothing new.   My voice
>>>>>>>> to make a difference was never very loud.  In the past, when I could be
>>>>>>>> physically present, I was good at hands-on grunt work.  Making ideas and
>>>>>>>> plans was not my forte.  Likewise has it been for me as a member of VIVA.
>>>>>>>> I am the quiet one who is rarely seen although, to be honest,  that has a
>>>>>>>> lot to do with island remoteness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isolation is not new to me.  In 3 decades I have grappled with HIV,
>>>>>>>> tuberculosis, and chronic kidney disease.   Adopting a cloistered lifestyle
>>>>>>>> was simply a practical side effect of  self-care.   Now we all face an
>>>>>>>> imposed isolation that may go on for months rather than a few weeks.   In
>>>>>>>> my experience, the narrowing scope of a life separated from society gives
>>>>>>>> me very little of  import or interest to share with others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All that said, I sense that a line of communication, this VIVA
>>>>>>>> list,  should remain open because it seems to me that some of you may have
>>>>>>>> ideas and plans for making something happen, whereas  I'm afraid I
>>>>>>>> am so out of touch with community that I don't even have an idea of *what*
>>>>>>>> is needed.   I can only have the *possibility *to contribute if
>>>>>>>> this forum stays available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stay safe out there!
>>>>>>>> ♡ Danielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:06 PM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Considering all, I am feeling like if ViVA needs to make a
>>>>>>>>> difference, it does now.   If there are women that want to speak and
>>>>>>>>> share,  and use this platform, now would be a good time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am ok.  I am stocked up. My health is not as great.   I
>>>>>>>>> gradually bought supplies, one can and a store at a time actually.  My
>>>>>>>>> recent diagnosis of COPD scares me more than HIV.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many women are listening?  Speak up if you want ViVA to
>>>>>>>>> continue,  I think we need to recognize whether we actually have an
>>>>>>>>> audience or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If not, then we can cease and redefine.  Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hugs, looking forward to voices or a reason to stop worrying,
>>>>>>>>> Shelly
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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