[Viva] Voices

Tue Mar 17 19:03:09 PDT 2020

Yes
Char

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Shelly.. please let's work together  Anne said nothing wrong. Tami said her piece, Anne said hers, I didn't see any divisiveness between them. It's freedom of speech and we all have it and we can't abuse it.
> 
> My own feeling is that we have to be a team if we are to move forward. When I was talking about the blame game, I was talking about people blaming Chinese, people blaming others for Covid.. it's out there and it's a reminder of how people used to look for someone to blame for the AIDS crisis in the early 90's.
> 
> At the end of this month, Positive Living will be closed - it probably is already. Let's think if we want to continue on this Listserve.
> 
> I would love to see a simple answer - Yes if you are engaged and want to carry on, No meaning you have no time for this or don't want to carry on and ---- if you have no thoughts on the subject.
> 
> My answer is YES
> 
> Denise
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:36 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Truly.  I would defend your own battles Anne.  Tami is my friend.  She can speak for herself.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:29 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tami is my friend. There is no blame going on in my head whatsoever.  Get a grip.  Tami is way above the blame game .  Take care all.  
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:03 AM Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm here watching and reading.
>>>> 
>>>> Getting into the Blame Game helps no one. We can learn from the past and move forward. Thank you Anne Bonner for showing kindness. If you are undetectable, there is information that you will not be at added risk, which is a relief.  I try to think of the fear when I got HIV and hiding my diagnosis over 25 years ago. This seems much less horrific than that. We have shown the world we can carry on despite the stigma.  We are leaders and have been through worse.
>>>> 
>>>> Keep strong everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> Denise
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think Tami is taking it seriously. I feel like a lot of us are on the outskirts of this group for various reasons, and that's ok. But when someone speaks up with a concern, we need to listen. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree. A lot of people are going into isolation and we need to stick together, support one another, listen to each other, and reach out when we need help. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And get along, damit. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anybody needs an ear in the next while, if you're feeling lonesome or struggling with sobriety or anything like that, feel free to shoot me a text and we can set up a time to talk. If you only have a landline, just call me. 250-208-6124. I have time on my hands these days! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:53 AM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You are the one amongst founding members .  Your voice is respected here.   You manage the list serve.   We  respect that .  You are managing this minor link to wlhiv.  Take it seriously .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Tami Starlight<tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> tansi people,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> tami here.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> founding member of VIVA and listserv admin/creator.
>>>>>>> blaaa blaaa...and so on and so on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i exclaim the blaa blaaas......because our world is so upside down and backwards with titles and social agency abusers.
>>>>>>> I call much of it - colonization.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i definitely am acutely aware of the covid-19 scare that is happening.
>>>>>>> all over the news - matter of fact - it is all there is to report about now, it seems. thats some bullshit.
>>>>>>> i am down with educating the public about minimizing its spread  and especially for people like us, with compromised immunity and other conditions that makes ones health a vulnerable population.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i have been in the background of VIVA for sometime now. years actually.
>>>>>>> a few reasons, one being how much supports and lowering transmission rates, better meds and so on.
>>>>>>> that and the amount of cis white men running the non profit industrial complex since the big hay days in the late 1990's.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i certainly have witnessed my fare share of oppression within VIVA as a two spirit trans experienced woman.
>>>>>>> for me, that is paramount to strong inclusive circles. that airy fairy nonsense that there is some magical unity that appears out of the sky? hardly, it is hard and fought for by the very people DIRECTLY AFFECTED. this is easily understood by those positive people who fought for their place in the world, especially the medical community. GIPA/MIPA.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i wonder how many in this list are anti trans? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> division and oppression are viruses. they toxify and harm our community daily, unless checked and treated - through education and awareness.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ALL OUR RELATIONS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hiy Hiy/Thank you/Merci
>>>>>>> She-Her-Hers / They-Them-Theirs
>>>>>>> Tami M. Starlight
>>>>>>> Unceded Coast Salish Territory
>>>>>>> Vancouver, Canada
>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork 
>>>>>>> http://theantioppressionnetwork.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/ 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheCoalitionAgainstTransAntagonism/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> twitter/instagram = @noterfsnoswerfs 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:52 PM Danielle Lucia <northern.islander at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Shelly... and everyone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't know what to say exactly.  That is nothing new.   My voice to make a difference was never very loud.  In the past, when I could be physically present, I was good at hands-on grunt work.  Making ideas and plans was not my forte.  Likewise has it been for me as a member of VIVA.  I am the quiet one who is rarely seen although, to be honest,  that has a lot to do with island remoteness. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Isolation is not new to me.  In 3 decades I have grappled with HIV, tuberculosis, and chronic kidney disease.   Adopting a cloistered lifestyle was simply a practical side effect of  self-care.   Now we all face an imposed isolation that may go on for months rather than a few weeks.   In my experience, the narrowing scope of a life separated from society gives me very little of  import or interest to share with others. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All that said, I sense that a line of communication, this VIVA list,  should remain open because it seems to me that some of you may have ideas and plans for making something happen, whereas  I'm afraid I am so out of touch with community that I don't even have an idea of *what* is needed.   I can only have the possibility to contribute if this forum stays available.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Stay safe out there! 
>>>>>>>> ♡ Danielle
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:06 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Considering all, I am feeling like if ViVA needs to make a difference, it does now.   If there are women that want to speak and share,  and use this platform, now would be a good time.  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am ok.  I am stocked up. My health is not as great.   I gradually bought supplies, one can and a store at a time actually.  My recent diagnosis of COPD scares me more than HIV.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How many women are listening?  Speak up if you want ViVA to continue,  I think we need to recognize whether we actually have an audience or not. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If not, then we can cease and redefine.  Just a thought.  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hugs, looking forward to voices or a reason to stop worrying,
>>>>>>>>> Shelly 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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