[Viva] Voices

Tue Mar 17 18:07:22 PDT 2020

Shelly.. please let's work together  Anne said nothing wrong. Tami said her
piece, Anne said hers, I didn't see any divisiveness between them. It's
freedom of speech and we all have it and we can't abuse it.

My own feeling is that we have to be a team if we are to move forward. When
I was talking about the blame game, I was talking about people blaming
Chinese, people blaming others for Covid.. it's out there and it's a
reminder of how people used to look for someone to blame for the AIDS
crisis in the early 90's.

At the end of this month, Positive Living will be closed - it probably is
already. Let's think if we want to continue on this Listserve.

I would love to see a simple answer - Yes if you are engaged and want to
carry on, No meaning you have no time for this or don't want to carry on
and ---- if you have no thoughts on the subject.

My answer is YES

Denise

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:36 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Truly.  I would defend your own battles Anne.  Tami is my friend.  She can
> speak for herself.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:29 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tami is my friend. There is no blame going on in my head whatsoever.  Get
>> a grip.  Tami is way above the blame game .  Take care all.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:03 AM Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm here watching and reading.
>>>
>>> Getting into the Blame Game helps no one. We can learn from the past and
>>> move forward. Thank you Anne Bonner for showing kindness. If you are
>>> undetectable, there is information that you will not be at added risk,
>>> which is a relief.  I try to think of the fear when I got HIV and hiding my
>>> diagnosis over 25 years ago. This seems much less horrific than that. We
>>> have shown the world we can carry on despite the stigma.  We are leaders
>>> and have been through worse.
>>>
>>> Keep strong everyone!
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think Tami is taking it seriously. I feel like a lot of us are on the
>>>> outskirts of this group for various reasons, and that's ok. But when
>>>> someone speaks up with a concern, we need to listen.
>>>>
>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work to
>>>> ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> I agree. A lot of people are going into isolation and we need to stick
>>>> together, support one another, listen to each other, and reach out when we
>>>> need help.
>>>>
>>>> And get along, damit.
>>>>
>>>> If anybody needs an ear in the next while, if you're feeling lonesome
>>>> or struggling with sobriety or anything like that, feel free to shoot me a
>>>> text and we can set up a time to talk. If you only have a landline, just
>>>> call me. 250-208-6124. I have time on my hands these days!
>>>>
>>>> Anne
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:53 AM shelly tognazzini <
>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are the one amongst founding members .  Your voice is respected
>>>>> here.   You manage the list serve.   We  respect that .  You are managing
>>>>> this minor link to wlhiv.  Take it seriously .
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Tami Starlight<
>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> tansi people,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tami here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> founding member of VIVA and listserv admin/creator.
>>>>>> blaaa blaaa...and so on and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i exclaim the blaa blaaas......because our world is so upside down
>>>>>> and backwards with titles and social agency abusers.
>>>>>> I call much of it - colonization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i definitely am acutely aware of the covid-19 scare that is happening.
>>>>>> all over the news - matter of fact - it is all there is to report
>>>>>> about now, it seems. thats some bullshit.
>>>>>> i am down with educating the public about minimizing its spread  and
>>>>>> especially for people like us, with compromised immunity and other
>>>>>> conditions that makes ones health a vulnerable population.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have been in the background of VIVA for sometime now. years
>>>>>> actually.
>>>>>> a few reasons, one being how much supports and lowering transmission
>>>>>> rates, better meds and so on.
>>>>>> that and the amount of cis white men running the non profit
>>>>>> industrial complex since the big hay days in the late 1990's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i certainly have witnessed my fare share of oppression within VIVA as
>>>>>> a two spirit trans experienced woman.
>>>>>> for me, that is paramount to strong inclusive circles. that airy
>>>>>> fairy nonsense that there is some magical unity that appears out of the
>>>>>> sky? hardly, it is hard and fought for by the very people DIRECTLY
>>>>>> AFFECTED. this is easily understood by those positive people who fought for
>>>>>> their place in the world, especially the medical community. GIPA/MIPA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i wonder how many in this list are anti trans?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> division and oppression are viruses. they toxify and harm our
>>>>>> community daily, unless checked and treated - through education and
>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work
>>>>>> to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ALL OUR RELATIONS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hiy Hiy/Thank you/Merci
>>>>>> *She-Her-Hers / They-Them-Theirs*
>>>>>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>>>>>> Unceded Coast Salish Territory
>>>>>> Vancouver, Canada
>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>> http://theantioppressionnetwork.com
>>>>>> <http://theantioppressionnetwork.wordpress.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/  <https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheCoalitionAgainstTransAntagonism/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> twitter/instagram = @noterfsnoswerfs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:52 PM Danielle Lucia <
>>>>>> northern.islander at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shelly... and everyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what to say exactly.  That is nothing new.   My voice
>>>>>>> to make a difference was never very loud.  In the past, when I could be
>>>>>>> physically present, I was good at hands-on grunt work.  Making ideas and
>>>>>>> plans was not my forte.  Likewise has it been for me as a member of VIVA.
>>>>>>> I am the quiet one who is rarely seen although, to be honest,  that has a
>>>>>>> lot to do with island remoteness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isolation is not new to me.  In 3 decades I have grappled with HIV,
>>>>>>> tuberculosis, and chronic kidney disease.   Adopting a cloistered lifestyle
>>>>>>> was simply a practical side effect of  self-care.   Now we all face an
>>>>>>> imposed isolation that may go on for months rather than a few weeks.   In
>>>>>>> my experience, the narrowing scope of a life separated from society gives
>>>>>>> me very little of  import or interest to share with others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All that said, I sense that a line of communication, this VIVA
>>>>>>> list,  should remain open because it seems to me that some of you may have
>>>>>>> ideas and plans for making something happen, whereas  I'm afraid I
>>>>>>> am so out of touch with community that I don't even have an idea of *what*
>>>>>>> is needed.   I can only have the *possibility *to contribute if
>>>>>>> this forum stays available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stay safe out there!
>>>>>>> ♡ Danielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:06 PM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering all, I am feeling like if ViVA needs to make a
>>>>>>>> difference, it does now.   If there are women that want to speak and
>>>>>>>> share,  and use this platform, now would be a good time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am ok.  I am stocked up. My health is not as great.   I gradually
>>>>>>>> bought supplies, one can and a store at a time actually.  My recent
>>>>>>>> diagnosis of COPD scares me more than HIV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many women are listening?  Speak up if you want ViVA to
>>>>>>>> continue,  I think we need to recognize whether we actually have an
>>>>>>>> audience or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If not, then we can cease and redefine.  Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hugs, looking forward to voices or a reason to stop worrying,
>>>>>>>> Shelly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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