[Viva] Voices

Tue Mar 17 17:36:20 PDT 2020

Truly.  I would defend your own battles Anne.  Tami is my friend.  She can
speak for herself.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:29 PM shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tami is my friend. There is no blame going on in my head whatsoever.  Get
> a grip.  Tami is way above the blame game .  Take care all.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:03 AM Denise Wozniak <deniseswozniak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm here watching and reading.
>>
>> Getting into the Blame Game helps no one. We can learn from the past and
>> move forward. Thank you Anne Bonner for showing kindness. If you are
>> undetectable, there is information that you will not be at added risk,
>> which is a relief.  I try to think of the fear when I got HIV and hiding my
>> diagnosis over 25 years ago. This seems much less horrific than that. We
>> have shown the world we can carry on despite the stigma.  We are leaders
>> and have been through worse.
>>
>> Keep strong everyone!
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Tami is taking it seriously. I feel like a lot of us are on the
>>> outskirts of this group for various reasons, and that's ok. But when
>>> someone speaks up with a concern, we need to listen.
>>>
>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work to
>>> ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome anything.
>>>
>>> I agree. A lot of people are going into isolation and we need to stick
>>> together, support one another, listen to each other, and reach out when we
>>> need help.
>>>
>>> And get along, damit.
>>>
>>> If anybody needs an ear in the next while, if you're feeling lonesome or
>>> struggling with sobriety or anything like that, feel free to shoot me a
>>> text and we can set up a time to talk. If you only have a landline, just
>>> call me. 250-208-6124. I have time on my hands these days!
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:53 AM shelly tognazzini <
>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are the one amongst founding members .  Your voice is respected
>>>> here.   You manage the list serve.   We  respect that .  You are managing
>>>> this minor link to wlhiv.  Take it seriously .
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Tami Starlight<tamistarlight at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> tansi people,
>>>>>
>>>>> tami here.
>>>>>
>>>>> founding member of VIVA and listserv admin/creator.
>>>>> blaaa blaaa...and so on and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> i exclaim the blaa blaaas......because our world is so upside down and
>>>>> backwards with titles and social agency abusers.
>>>>> I call much of it - colonization.
>>>>>
>>>>> i definitely am acutely aware of the covid-19 scare that is happening.
>>>>> all over the news - matter of fact - it is all there is to report
>>>>> about now, it seems. thats some bullshit.
>>>>> i am down with educating the public about minimizing its spread  and
>>>>> especially for people like us, with compromised immunity and other
>>>>> conditions that makes ones health a vulnerable population.
>>>>>
>>>>> i have been in the background of VIVA for sometime now. years actually.
>>>>> a few reasons, one being how much supports and lowering transmission
>>>>> rates, better meds and so on.
>>>>> that and the amount of cis white men running the non profit industrial
>>>>> complex since the big hay days in the late 1990's.
>>>>>
>>>>> i certainly have witnessed my fare share of oppression within VIVA as
>>>>> a two spirit trans experienced woman.
>>>>> for me, that is paramount to strong inclusive circles. that airy fairy
>>>>> nonsense that there is some magical unity that appears out of the sky?
>>>>> hardly, it is hard and fought for by the very people DIRECTLY AFFECTED.
>>>>> this is easily understood by those positive people who fought for their
>>>>> place in the world, especially the medical community. GIPA/MIPA.
>>>>>
>>>>> i wonder how many in this list are anti trans?
>>>>>
>>>>> division and oppression are viruses. they toxify and harm our
>>>>> community daily, unless checked and treated - through education and
>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>
>>>>> in these coming days, maybe weeks, lets remain aware and do the work
>>>>> to ensure our community is diverse and inclusive, with strong circles.
>>>>> that through sharing, education and awareness - we can overcome
>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> ALL OUR RELATIONS
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiy Hiy/Thank you/Merci
>>>>> *She-Her-Hers / They-Them-Theirs*
>>>>> *Tami M. Starlight*
>>>>> Unceded Coast Salish Territory
>>>>> Vancouver, Canada
>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiONetwork>
>>>>> http://theantioppressionnetwork.com
>>>>> <http://theantioppressionnetwork.wordpress.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/  <https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/TheCoalitionAgainstTransAntagonism/
>>>>>
>>>>> twitter/instagram = @noterfsnoswerfs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:52 PM Danielle Lucia <
>>>>> northern.islander at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Shelly... and everyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what to say exactly.  That is nothing new.   My voice to
>>>>>> make a difference was never very loud.  In the past, when I could be
>>>>>> physically present, I was good at hands-on grunt work.  Making ideas and
>>>>>> plans was not my forte.  Likewise has it been for me as a member of VIVA.
>>>>>> I am the quiet one who is rarely seen although, to be honest,  that has a
>>>>>> lot to do with island remoteness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isolation is not new to me.  In 3 decades I have grappled with HIV,
>>>>>> tuberculosis, and chronic kidney disease.   Adopting a cloistered lifestyle
>>>>>> was simply a practical side effect of  self-care.   Now we all face an
>>>>>> imposed isolation that may go on for months rather than a few weeks.   In
>>>>>> my experience, the narrowing scope of a life separated from society gives
>>>>>> me very little of  import or interest to share with others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All that said, I sense that a line of communication, this VIVA list,
>>>>>> should remain open because it seems to me that some of you may have ideas
>>>>>> and plans for making something happen, whereas  I'm afraid I am so
>>>>>> out of touch with community that I don't even have an idea of *what* is
>>>>>> needed.   I can only have the *possibility *to contribute if this
>>>>>> forum stays available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay safe out there!
>>>>>> ♡ Danielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:06 PM shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering all, I am feeling like if ViVA needs to make a
>>>>>>> difference, it does now.   If there are women that want to speak and
>>>>>>> share,  and use this platform, now would be a good time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am ok.  I am stocked up. My health is not as great.   I gradually
>>>>>>> bought supplies, one can and a store at a time actually.  My recent
>>>>>>> diagnosis of COPD scares me more than HIV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many women are listening?  Speak up if you want ViVA to
>>>>>>> continue,  I think we need to recognize whether we actually have an
>>>>>>> audience or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not, then we can cease and redefine.  Just a thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hugs, looking forward to voices or a reason to stop worrying,
>>>>>>> Shelly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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