[Viva] Crown now not seeking dangerous offender.. sentencing September 20

Thu Sep 5 09:32:02 PDT 2013

Sex worker or not, doesn't matter at this point. Keep your pecker in your
pants or put a cover on it!

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess she didn't want to use condoms on their private parts!  Hmm
> interesting that no one else was involved in that decision.. when it was
> HIS body!
> D
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:53 AM, anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Here's her email.   And apparently she was the one who didn't want to use
>> condoms, that is on the record.
>>
>> zorro.mclaughlin at sympatico.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> They are looking at her as a bad person.. well if she is truly bad then
>>> why take the meds? Why be undetectable?  They make it sound like she is
>>> wilfully spreading the disease but they are totally missing the point that
>>> she is undetectable.  And who says she didn't want them to wear condoms..
>>> her or the men? We are all responsible for our own bodies and she is
>>> undetectable.  If she did ask him to put on a condom and he pulled it off..
>>> would it still be her fault?  They are totally ignoring the science which
>>> is the main thing in this case and talking about what if's.
>>>
>>> How about giving me her email?
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Dawn Clouthier <dclouthier21 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, ask the author if she is married. Most of the men out their
>>>> using the escorts or picking up ladies of the evening ask that they don't
>>>> wear perfume or lipstick or make-up. Because they are going home to their
>>>> wives or girl friends. And they won't wear a condom because "Oh I can't
>>>> feel anything" or "It's like wearing a glove". Does her husband or boy
>>>> friend work late at the office or take extra long lunch hours? More than
>>>> likely. 50% of the men out there cheat! It's a fact of life. And the
>>>> working girl (or lady) is out there trying to make ends meet or to feed
>>>> their kids because of dead-beat dads! You can't live on welfare these days,
>>>> everyone knows that. Fuck, I have a tough time on disability! Put the onus
>>>> on the man and "MAN-UP"! But to have no income at all, give me a break! Or
>>>> the men say "I don't have anything. Do you?" You end up saying no I don't
>>>> because you are vulnerable at that point in the game. I've talked with
>>>> many, many working girls. If they don't put up, they get beat up....always
>>>> ends the same. Then it's our fault.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Dawn Clouthier <dclouthier21 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the mood to take a crack at it! Have been up all night pissed
>>>>> off at something else in my life. Bring it on....I say! Would love to
>>>>> handle this one. Can you give me the info to get a hold of her please. She
>>>>> never responded at first when the article came out. What a dumb bitch! Holy
>>>>> fuck is right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM, anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow.  So I wrote to the author, and got a response, and I don't think
>>>>>> she understood me, and so I wrote AGAIN, trying to explain it over...  this
>>>>>> is what I got.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are categorized her with good people who had difficult lives
>>>>>> through no fault of their own. This is not a case of a sex trade worker
>>>>>> whose client insists no condom. That is another story and does not belong
>>>>>> in this story. She is the one who insists on no condom. Some of the men ask
>>>>>> her if they should and she tells them "no." She has been warned to stop
>>>>>> doing this over and over but she keeps doing it. Those are the facts and
>>>>>> that's what I have to write.
>>>>>> Some people are good people who had tough breaks in life. Some people
>>>>>> are just not very nice people. They find themselves in criminal courts on
>>>>>> there own accord.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Holy fucken shit how do you get through to people?  What she is
>>>>>> replying to isn't even the point I was getting at in both my emails.  Holy
>>>>>> fucken dumb.  Oh my goodness.  What to say.  I'm not super articulate but
>>>>>> man I really tried to tell her that what she was writing was perpetuating
>>>>>> hate, violence and misogyny... and stigmatizing people with mental health,
>>>>>> hiv, sex trade workers, addiction, women... Wow she just isn't getting any
>>>>>> of it.  So I'm done.  I tried.  If anyone else feels like taking a crack at
>>>>>> it... It might just be a funny experiment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:02 AM, anne bonner <
>>>>>> thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did it!  Plz do too!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:46 AM, anne bonner <
>>>>>>> thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's her email.  Rant more.  I'm gonna.  I'm sick of this shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> zorro.mclaughlin at sympatico.ca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't figure out how to write letters to that newspaper...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, anne bonner <
>>>>>>>> thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This article makes me sick.  The author decides to put in bits of
>>>>>>>>> info that aren't relevant to what happened.  "$20", "back of a van"  this
>>>>>>>>> is just put in there to stigmatize sex workers, people with mental health
>>>>>>>>> issues, poz people and is also slut shaming.  It's misogynistic.   What
>>>>>>>>> about the men?  What about the men who had sex with someone randomly
>>>>>>>>> without a condom?  What the hell were THEY thinking?  That she would be
>>>>>>>>> clean??  Come on.  Those poor, poor terrified innocent men.  FUCK THAT.  Of
>>>>>>>>> course she has no faith in the justice system.  It's failed her her whole
>>>>>>>>> life probably.  At least the author included that.  This writer needs to
>>>>>>>>> have her head pulled out of her arse, she's doing absolutely nothing for
>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also end rant.  Grr.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Kath Webster <kathwebster at shaw.ca
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HERE-HERE!  Rant away!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-08-28, at 4:59 PM, Romari <romariundi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> GOOD FOR YOU DENISE!  THIS DESERVES A GOOD RANT!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Romari
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is total conjecture on my part.. it seems that this woman
>>>>>>>>>> may have been a prostitute.  She moved to Ontario with no connections, "her
>>>>>>>>>> mother supported her with money", the men just happened to feel like they
>>>>>>>>>> should give her $20 after sex and they say she was walking at Border Forces
>>>>>>>>>> Base with a thong on.  Then the armed forces man said she was "stalking"
>>>>>>>>>> him for sex and he had it a few times with her!!!  Of course that would
>>>>>>>>>> take them off the hook for procuring sex and her off the hook for being a
>>>>>>>>>> prostitute.  They may even have paid her not to use a condom.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This points to two terrible things happening in this country..
>>>>>>>>>> women are going underground to trade sex and face every kind of physical
>>>>>>>>>> harm, as well as charges like this and women obviously have no say in
>>>>>>>>>> condom use because they would have to tell a client they have HIV and
>>>>>>>>>> therefore lose any money they have coming in or be arrested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think if this is the case, she would have had a very hard time
>>>>>>>>>> telling her side of the story.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's a case for legalizing prostitution and having it as a health
>>>>>>>>>> care issue and have men sign waivers and also shows women do not have
>>>>>>>>>> control of the condom issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope she will be dealt with very lightly but I fear not.  The
>>>>>>>>>> Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network are closely involved and are trying to help
>>>>>>>>>> her.  I very much hope that science will say decisively that women cannot
>>>>>>>>>> pass HIV on when they are undetectable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the rant!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Peggy Frank <pegfrank at telus.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow!  It certainly seems like compassion is called for.  What
>>>>>>>>>>> was happening for this woman? Was she also exposed to infections from the
>>>>>>>>>>> men who were so accommodating. What about the community around her?  Was
>>>>>>>>>>> she so alone.  That is the story! What about the men who had unprotected
>>>>>>>>>>> sex with a woman that they knew nothing about? What happened to education?
>>>>>>>>>>> GRRRRR. peg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-08-28, at 6:26 AM, Romari wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is just so appalling! This woman doesn't need prison but
>>>>>>>>>>> treatment for what is obviously a mental or emotional illness from which
>>>>>>>>>>> she is suffering.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the crown should consider sending this woman to a
>>>>>>>>>>> "healing retreat" instead of a "lengthy prison sentence"!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sickened in Victoria,
>>>>>>>>>>> Romari
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The crown has now decided not to seek Dangerous Offender status.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.orilliapacket.com/2013/08/27/crown-wont-seek-dangerous-offender-or-long-term-offender-sentence-for-woman-with-hiv
>>>>>>>>>>>
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