[Viva] Crown now not seeking dangerous offender.. sentencing September 20

anne bonner thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com
Thu Sep 5 07:53:08 PDT 2013 

Here's her email.   And apparently she was the one who didn't want to use
condoms, that is on the record.

zorro.mclaughlin at sympatico.ca



On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> wrote:

> They are looking at her as a bad person.. well if she is truly bad then
> why take the meds? Why be undetectable?  They make it sound like she is
> wilfully spreading the disease but they are totally missing the point that
> she is undetectable.  And who says she didn't want them to wear condoms..
> her or the men? We are all responsible for our own bodies and she is
> undetectable.  If she did ask him to put on a condom and he pulled it off..
> would it still be her fault?  They are totally ignoring the science which
> is the main thing in this case and talking about what if's.
>
> How about giving me her email?
>
> Denise
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Dawn Clouthier <dclouthier21 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Actually, ask the author if she is married. Most of the men out their
>> using the escorts or picking up ladies of the evening ask that they don't
>> wear perfume or lipstick or make-up. Because they are going home to their
>> wives or girl friends. And they won't wear a condom because "Oh I can't
>> feel anything" or "It's like wearing a glove". Does her husband or boy
>> friend work late at the office or take extra long lunch hours? More than
>> likely. 50% of the men out there cheat! It's a fact of life. And the
>> working girl (or lady) is out there trying to make ends meet or to feed
>> their kids because of dead-beat dads! You can't live on welfare these days,
>> everyone knows that. Fuck, I have a tough time on disability! Put the onus
>> on the man and "MAN-UP"! But to have no income at all, give me a break! Or
>> the men say "I don't have anything. Do you?" You end up saying no I don't
>> because you are vulnerable at that point in the game. I've talked with
>> many, many working girls. If they don't put up, they get beat up....always
>> ends the same. Then it's our fault.
>>
>> Dawn
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Dawn Clouthier <dclouthier21 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the mood to take a crack at it! Have been up all night pissed off
>>> at something else in my life. Bring it on....I say! Would love to handle
>>> this one. Can you give me the info to get a hold of her please. She never
>>> responded at first when the article came out. What a dumb bitch! Holy fuck
>>> is right.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:36 PM, anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow.  So I wrote to the author, and got a response, and I don't think
>>>> she understood me, and so I wrote AGAIN, trying to explain it over...  this
>>>> is what I got.
>>>>
>>>> You are categorized her with good people who had difficult lives
>>>> through no fault of their own. This is not a case of a sex trade worker
>>>> whose client insists no condom. That is another story and does not belong
>>>> in this story. She is the one who insists on no condom. Some of the men ask
>>>> her if they should and she tells them "no." She has been warned to stop
>>>> doing this over and over but she keeps doing it. Those are the facts and
>>>> that's what I have to write.
>>>> Some people are good people who had tough breaks in life. Some people
>>>> are just not very nice people. They find themselves in criminal courts on
>>>> there own accord.
>>>>
>>>> Holy fucken shit how do you get through to people?  What she is
>>>> replying to isn't even the point I was getting at in both my emails.  Holy
>>>> fucken dumb.  Oh my goodness.  What to say.  I'm not super articulate but
>>>> man I really tried to tell her that what she was writing was perpetuating
>>>> hate, violence and misogyny... and stigmatizing people with mental health,
>>>> hiv, sex trade workers, addiction, women... Wow she just isn't getting any
>>>> of it.  So I'm done.  I tried.  If anyone else feels like taking a crack at
>>>> it... It might just be a funny experiment.
>>>>
>>>> Anne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:02 AM, anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did it!  Plz do too!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:46 AM, anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's her email.  Rant more.  I'm gonna.  I'm sick of this shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> zorro.mclaughlin at sympatico.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't figure out how to write letters to that newspaper...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, anne bonner <thewoodbuffalo at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This article makes me sick.  The author decides to put in bits of
>>>>>>> info that aren't relevant to what happened.  "$20", "back of a van"  this
>>>>>>> is just put in there to stigmatize sex workers, people with mental health
>>>>>>> issues, poz people and is also slut shaming.  It's misogynistic.   What
>>>>>>> about the men?  What about the men who had sex with someone randomly
>>>>>>> without a condom?  What the hell were THEY thinking?  That she would be
>>>>>>> clean??  Come on.  Those poor, poor terrified innocent men.  FUCK THAT.  Of
>>>>>>> course she has no faith in the justice system.  It's failed her her whole
>>>>>>> life probably.  At least the author included that.  This writer needs to
>>>>>>> have her head pulled out of her arse, she's doing absolutely nothing for
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also end rant.  Grr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Kath Webster <kathwebster at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HERE-HERE!  Rant away!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2013-08-28, at 4:59 PM, Romari <romariundi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GOOD FOR YOU DENISE!  THIS DESERVES A GOOD RANT!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Romari
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is total conjecture on my part.. it seems that this woman may
>>>>>>>> have been a prostitute.  She moved to Ontario with no connections, "her
>>>>>>>> mother supported her with money", the men just happened to feel like they
>>>>>>>> should give her $20 after sex and they say she was walking at Border Forces
>>>>>>>> Base with a thong on.  Then the armed forces man said she was "stalking"
>>>>>>>> him for sex and he had it a few times with her!!!  Of course that would
>>>>>>>> take them off the hook for procuring sex and her off the hook for being a
>>>>>>>> prostitute.  They may even have paid her not to use a condom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This points to two terrible things happening in this country..
>>>>>>>> women are going underground to trade sex and face every kind of physical
>>>>>>>> harm, as well as charges like this and women obviously have no say in
>>>>>>>> condom use because they would have to tell a client they have HIV and
>>>>>>>> therefore lose any money they have coming in or be arrested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think if this is the case, she would have had a very hard time
>>>>>>>> telling her side of the story.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a case for legalizing prostitution and having it as a health
>>>>>>>> care issue and have men sign waivers and also shows women do not have
>>>>>>>> control of the condom issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope she will be dealt with very lightly but I fear not.  The
>>>>>>>> Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network are closely involved and are trying to help
>>>>>>>> her.  I very much hope that science will say decisively that women cannot
>>>>>>>> pass HIV on when they are undetectable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the rant!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Peggy Frank <pegfrank at telus.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow!  It certainly seems like compassion is called for.  What was
>>>>>>>>> happening for this woman? Was she also exposed to infections from the men
>>>>>>>>> who were so accommodating. What about the community around her?  Was she so
>>>>>>>>> alone.  That is the story! What about the men who had unprotected sex with
>>>>>>>>> a woman that they knew nothing about? What happened to education? GRRRRR.
>>>>>>>>> peg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2013-08-28, at 6:26 AM, Romari wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is just so appalling! This woman doesn't need prison but
>>>>>>>>> treatment for what is obviously a mental or emotional illness from which
>>>>>>>>> she is suffering.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the crown should consider sending this woman to a "healing
>>>>>>>>> retreat" instead of a "lengthy prison sentence"!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sickened in Victoria,
>>>>>>>>> Romari
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The crown has now decided not to seek Dangerous Offender status.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.orilliapacket.com/2013/08/27/crown-wont-seek-dangerous-offender-or-long-term-offender-sentence-for-woman-with-hiv
>>>>>>>>>
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