[Viva] FW: STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff

[anne bonner]

This is a little off topic but I have young straight friends who have gone
in to get tested and the doctor steered them away from getting tested,
telling them they weren't at risk.  Men and women.  This totally appalled
me.  This was 3 people I knew, different doctors.   I wonder what we would
hear if we asked more young straight folks what their doctors say about
testing.

A


On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Lisa Lagos <llagos at telus.net> wrote:

> **
> Hi again:  When asked if anyone can say they know of a man getting it from
> a woman, I thought I could say "yes", but then again, it really wasn't
> proven because the man had so many other high risk behaviors (ie. IV drug
> use).  It was to do with a man having oral sex with an HIV pos. woman.  The
> HIV pos. woman, whom he knew was positive, had herpes (apparantly) and the
> guy got a cold sore.  Now, the assumption was back in those days that this
> was a scenerio where he may have contacted HIV via the infected herpe. (In
> fact I recall some documentation on this type of thing before)  However, I
> remember now that he did get tested and it came back negative. (was it just
> the "window"?) Years later, he died of aids, having never known he was
> positive.   So, food for thought.
> Naturally, I tend to forget that times have changed since I was diagnosed
> 21 years ago.  When my friend first told me about it I didn't think he had
> caught more than herpes since his encounter with his girlfriend.  Also, his
> wife of many years insisted she was HIV negative (never tested though).  I
> think like someone said, it is SELF RESPONSIBILITY in all cases.  If my
> husband was not positive, I know I would feel he was safe to have sex with
> me, providing that was his decision.
> I do tend to ramble on, I admit.  Its just such an interesting subject.
> Happy Saturday all.
> Lisa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>
> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 7:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] FW: STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff
>
> Yes Sharyle!  Good point.  I also saw stats where men did not want to be
> labelled as gay or bi-sexual and so they said they got it through straight
> sex.
>
> D
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Sharyle Lyndon <sharyle at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> **
>> personally I believe its the way stats are prioritized(sp)if you have sex
>> with 1000 women (wishful thinking) and... its recorded by the higher risk
>> behavior,eg.sex with 1 man and/or 1  needle share.
>> I just thought it was about time I added my two cents about something
>>
>> Happy  New Year everyone
>>
>> sharyle
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Kath Webster <kathwebster at shaw.ca>
>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>  *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 7:30 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] FW: STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff
>>
>>  Female to male transmission is significantly more likely when sexually
>> transmitted infections (STIs) are present.  I’m sure there are stats out
>> there.  In terms of female to female , the stats aren’t out there because
>> aside from a very few rare exceptional cases (like under 5 ever reported in
>> N. America) it just doesn’t happen...   So the fact that 25 years has gone
>> by and this hasn’t changed is simply more reassuring in my mind!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto:viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca]
>> *On Behalf Of *Denise Becker
>> *Sent:* January-13-12 7:12 PM
>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] FW: STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> yes, why aren't there any stats? It doesn't make sense.****
>>
>> D****
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Sharyle Lyndon <sharyle at shaw.ca> wrote:*
>> ***
>>
>> you may wait a long time,I've been waiting for more than 25 years for
>> some new stats on woman to woman infection****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> sharyle****
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>
>> *From:* Funke <funkeilumoka at yahoo.com> ****
>>
>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca ****
>>
>> *Cc:* viva at lists.resist.ca ****
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>> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 6:55 PM****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] FW: STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> AFRICA. Transmission is majority hetero, but note that it is a different
>> strain. I have met woman to man cases.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone****
>>
>>
>> On 2012-01-13, at 6:46 PM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> wrote:***
>> *
>>
>>  So.. is there anyone here willing to say that they actually personally
>> know of a straight man getting HIV from a woman through sex?  I was with
>> Lloyd 18 years and he never got it.  I have never met a man who got it from
>> a woman and have never met a woman who passed it on to a man.  Someday I
>> would like to finally hear some statistics. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Is it just me?****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Denise****
>>
>> ****
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>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Lisa Lagos <llagos at telus.net> wrote:****
>>
>> Hi Peggy:  It's so scary to hear that the *thought *is out there, let
>> alone that the man couldn't get a *medical test?!  *****
>>
>> I know it's been common knowledge (whispered knowledge) that it's not as
>> easy for a man to get hiv from a female as it is for a female to get it
>> from a male. But lately there's been too much certainty about this in the
>> air, especially with the addition of medications that keep the viral load
>> down.   There is still risk (ie. the person not adhereing to meds, persons
>> with active herpes could pass HIV from one to the other, the person may not
>> be telling the truth etc. etc.)****
>>
>> But all the endless possibilities aside, since when did doctors stop
>> erring on the side of caution?  ****
>>
>> Thanks Peggy.****
>>
>> Lisa L.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>>   ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>
>> *From:* Peggy Frank <pegfrank at telus.net> ****
>>
>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 7:02 AM****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] FW: STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> hi - great conversation - sorry to miss it. I will not be on the
>> conversation as I am heading east then to visit parents - but have an
>> alarming conversation to share.  While speaking on a radio show with a
>> friend about HIV and sex a man called in from the San Francisco Bay area
>> and said that he could not get an HIV test unless he said he was bi.
>>  Straight men were not considered at risk no matter what their activity.
>>  this conversation made me wonder - what is the situation for testing in
>> bc? and then the devil in me thought - if there is no risk for straight men
>> its time to party. can't envision that without a condom. would love to open
>> this conversation to know what others have found. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> also recently listening to someone i met at dance class talk about
>> polyamory and wondered what education this community is accessing regarding
>> sti's.  just curious...****
>>
>>
>> Peggy Frank****
>>
>> Victoria,  BC  ****
>>
>> Canada V8R 1L9****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> www.positivelyafrica.org****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> She who finds the path - the right path - does so for herself; and when
>> she goes astray she creates her own loss and pain; and no one who carries a
>> burden bears another's load.  Taken from - "He who finds the right path
>> does so for himself; and he who goes astray does so to his own loss; and no
>> one who carries a burden bears another man's load."  Al-Qur'an 17:15****
>>
>> ****
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>> ****
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>> ****
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>> On 2012-01-12, at 10:23 PM, Kath Webster wrote:****
>>
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
>> The event below is for staff *or* *volunteers* who are HIV positive and
>> working directly with other HIV positive people in Vancouver.****
>>
>> It should be a dynamic discussion.  Hope to see some of you there.
>> Contact Margreth Tolson  to rsvp (see below)****
>>
>> Cheers, Kath****
>>
>> *STOP HIV: Discussion for HIV+ staff*****
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>> helping them to access services for testing, treatment and support in
>> Vancouver?****
>>
>> The Vancouver STOP HIV project would like to hear from you.****
>>
>> *We are holding a discussion group for HIV+ people, who are in paid or
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>> personal and professional experience with HIV testing, diagnosis and
>> treatment.*****
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>> *When:**         Thursday, February 23rd, 2012*****
>>
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>> *Where:**       Three Bridges Clinic** **(Large meeting room, 1stfloor)**
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>> *Please note: This group is for people who have lived with HIV for at
>> least 4-5 years, and worked in HIV-related services in Vancouver within
>> the last 4-5 years, including 2010 and/or 2011.*****
>>
>> *Please contact Margreth Tolson if you would like to attend.*****
>>
>> *(604-708-5320 or email: Margreth.tolson at vch.ca)*****
>>
>> *Margreth Tolson*****
>>
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