[Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual assault
shelly tognazzini
shetognazzini at gmail.com
Tue Aug 16 08:47:21 PDT 2011
Sorry for the delay responding. I am working at St. Pauls from 9 - 5,
however, I can talk to my co workers today and see if I could schedule
cover. running to work now, will check email after lunch.
s
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I talked to Richard Elliott before and he is away now. I told him that I
> might be willing to talk to the media and would see if anyone else wanted to
> as well (in would make more of a statement). He thought that would be
> extremely powerful. Naturally, we would have to do it in the right way
> where we don't condone not being told but at the same time question the law
> that makes you a criminal. I think radio is the safest forum because you
> can't see faces and just hear voices of women who have lived the experience.
>
> I have been on the radio in Kelowna before - CHBC Kelowna, which is an
> affiliate of CBC and they had the story on the national radio CBC but they
> suggested this, not me. I don't think they would use Skype because the
> quality is not good enough. When I did a story with CTV on TV they had a
> cameraman come in an film me in Kelowna and I could hear Seamas O'Regan
> asking me the questions but they filmed it the afternoon before and it
> showed in the morning.
>
> Friday is getting a bit tight now. I will investigate more. I just need
> an idea of who would be willing to do it - I may do it on my own if no one
> comes forward.
>
> As for the Op Ed, then if everyone is in agreement, we may want to put that
> into the paper. Unfortunately, this gives people the chance to write in to
> the paper (i.e. rednecks) and possibly have the last word, where Viva may
> look worse.
>
> Either way let me know.
>
> Denise
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Margarite Sanchez <
> margaritesanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will am busy this Friday... but just curious, what radio program are you
>> thinking about approaching and could it be done by telephone or skype? And
>> what do you think about us doing an Op-Ed for the newspapers?
>> Margarite
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am in Vancouver on the 19th, so I guess I should have said this coming
>>> Friday.
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:38 AM, James and Ally Keating <
>>> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>> *Hey Denise,*
>>>> * By next week, frindy....do you mean Friday August 26th???*
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>> assault
>>>>
>>>> Kath, Ally, Tami, Margarite, Shelly and all ViVA:
>>>>
>>>> I think if anyone wants to be part of a joint discussion then we might
>>>> want to consider this. I am not in a position where it would matter but
>>>> some have kids and it might.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking about a radio appearance where faces are not seen, I
>>>> think I can set this up with CBC radio. I am in Vancouver next week
>>>> (Friday?). Is anyone interested?
>>>>
>>>> Denise
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:38 AM, James and Ally Keating <
>>>> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Sorry I put the wrong infection date. I meant to put 20+ years
>>>>> ago...but forgot the +. I was actually infected Aug.2 1986. Just thought
>>>>> I'd set the record straight......A :~)*
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* James and Ally Keating <keatingfamilycircus at telus.net>
>>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:34 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>>> assault
>>>>>
>>>>> * I wanted to reply to your question Denise. I was infected 20
>>>>> years ago this past Aug. 2nd. I was infected by a friend with whom I engaged
>>>>> in unprotected sex after a great weekend in Seattle partying for my 21st
>>>>> birthday. The man I was intimate with knew he had HIV but did not tell me. I
>>>>> found out a couple months later when he died of AIDS. The thing is, I don't
>>>>> blame him for my situation. I was hurt that he didn't tell me he was HIV+,
>>>>> but I knew better than to have unprotected sex. If anything I was angry at
>>>>> myself for not protecting myself...but I didn't have the skills or self
>>>>> esteem to take that kind of care of me back then. I also realized that my
>>>>> friend was in his own denial about his HIV. I knew and know he had no
>>>>> intention of hurting me, of passing this on. I guess he just wanted to
>>>>> forget, to act like it was all as it used to be, and I understand that. I've
>>>>> lived through my own share of denial, fear, depression, etc.. Fortunately I
>>>>> was able to come out the other side before it was too late...I found my life
>>>>> again. *
>>>>> * The point of sharing this story with you is to let you know where
>>>>> I stand on the issue of standing up for this young woman and taking a stand
>>>>> against the treatment and criminalization of those HIV+.*
>>>>> * I agree that ViVA should reach out to this young woman, to let
>>>>> her know we exist, are here for her and support her. I also think that it
>>>>> would be very powerful for ViVA (and others) to put forward a statement or
>>>>> position paper about the ongoing treatment and mistreatment of HIV+ people,
>>>>> of the way in which this situation was mishandled and of how this is not an
>>>>> isolated incident* *. I also believe it is a prime opportunity to
>>>>> address the issue of the criminalization of HIV and why that is not the
>>>>> route to take.* *I just want tommake sure that we put the spotlight on
>>>>> the issue and not this young woman specifically, unless she wants to be put
>>>>> there. I guess I feel that she has had so much choice and power taken from
>>>>> her in the past week or so and I just want to be sure that we don't add to
>>>>> that with our good intentions. *
>>>>> * With that said, I agree that ViVA needs to take a public position
>>>>> about this circumstance and the ongoing circumstances of oppression,
>>>>> marginalization, criminalization, etc... of the HIV+. Thanks all for letting
>>>>> me share, Ally*
>>>>> **
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* Margarite Sanchez <margaritesanchez at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:30 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>>> assault
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to all of you for the information and concern for this young
>>>>> woman who is still just a child.
>>>>> Personally, I would like to see ViVA advocate on her behalf. By
>>>>> responding to the media, to the Edmonton police and showing our support to
>>>>> her.
>>>>> I say *solidarity *with our poz sisters!
>>>>> I will start by writing to the Edmonton Police email address that Ally
>>>>> sent. info at edmontonpolicecommission.ca
>>>>> but maybe we can also do something as a group and that way no one needs
>>>>> to sign it unless they are totally comfortable with using their names.
>>>>> I am absolutely against the criminalization of HIV, I know it is deadly
>>>>> but no other disease in history has been demonized like this. Syphilis and
>>>>> gonorrhea used to be a deadly STI before antibiotics! No one gets arrested
>>>>> or even a slap on the wrist for giving someone herpes!
>>>>> Of course I don't agree with anyone intentionally spreading HIV but
>>>>> there are *many* reasons why people don't disclose.
>>>>> I say lets give this young woman our support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Margarite
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested to know from anyone who belongs to VIVA if they feel
>>>>>> that the stand of helping this girl is not what you believe should be done.
>>>>>> Some women may feel that they were infected directly as a result of someone
>>>>>> not informing you and you may be having a hard time with the emotions you
>>>>>> are feeling regarding this girl and her status. If you are having a hard
>>>>>> time with it, then please do not feel afraid to tell me or, if you feel
>>>>>> comfortable telling me, then tell anyone in VIVA. We are definitely not
>>>>>> there to judge you and want to hear from all sides. I would hate to think
>>>>>> that we are writing about this girl if not everyone is agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM, James and Ally Keating <
>>>>>> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> *Hello All, *
>>>>>>> * I think it's a great idea to get more info, so thanks Denise
>>>>>>> and Shelly for putting that out there and getting what we can. It would be
>>>>>>> great if there was some way to get e-mails/messages of support to this young
>>>>>>> woman....I'm sure she feels quite alone and isolated, even if surrounded by
>>>>>>> people who love her...I know I did early on. Also want to say thanks Kath
>>>>>>> for posting the GNP+ link of "10 points against criminalization" it's well
>>>>>>> thought out, as much of what GNP+ does.*
>>>>>>> * And Tami, I too feel great frustration and even anger at the
>>>>>>> knee jerk actions of the Edmonton Police Department and also the Courts who
>>>>>>> gave the police authorization to release to the community (and the world) a
>>>>>>> public safety warning which contained this young girls name, photo
>>>>>>> and labeled her a "threat to public safety".I mean ARE THEY SERIOUS???
>>>>>>> Unfortunately they are. I also want to reiterate what Shelly wrote and point
>>>>>>> out that this is not an "Edmonton only" problem (although some communities
>>>>>>> seem to have more instances than others). These type of actions and
>>>>>>> reactions are nation wide and systemic. Every instance of marginalization,
>>>>>>> discrimination, violation of civil rights, ostracizing, violence etc..that
>>>>>>> happens every day all over the world may not have as serious public and
>>>>>>> legal consequence as this present situation but are very serious and need to
>>>>>>> be addressed. I see this present situation as a door opener for this issue
>>>>>>> of treatment of persons with HIV to be brought to the four front of public
>>>>>>> attention. I think this is something which should happen because of the
>>>>>>> publicity surrounding what happened in Edmonton but it is something
>>>>>>> that should also be separate. I don't want to see this young woman being put
>>>>>>> forth as a poster girl for HIV right violation (unless she chooses to do
>>>>>>> this herself). Instead I do hope it is more along the lines of "what
>>>>>>> happened in Edmonton is happening every day, everywhere". *
>>>>>>> * HIV needs to be seen and dealt with as a medical issue not a
>>>>>>> moral or legal issue. Once this situation was moved from the medical, human
>>>>>>> realm into the dehumanizing legal realm and rhetoric and fear mongering were
>>>>>>> added in, a disservice was done to all, the HIV+ community, the general
>>>>>>> community and those in all forms of law/legal services. I truly hope that
>>>>>>> some general good can come from this situation since I see very little good
>>>>>>> that can happen for this young woman as a result of this. Let's keep her in
>>>>>>> our hearts and prayers. :) Ally*
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:21 AM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with
>>>>>>> sexual assault
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can look in to independent media if you want Denise, although you
>>>>>>> undoubtedly know more than I...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:20 AM, shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what I meant by CTV?? is F--- CTV !! Edmonton is uptight for sure
>>>>>>>> but there is a vibrant and vital arts scene there and many folk who do not
>>>>>>>> represent the stereotypes linked to Alberta...there are several independent
>>>>>>>> media sources including one of the most respected independent radio station
>>>>>>>> (with talk programming as well I believe) in the country: CKUA!
>>>>>>>> Wonder what they are saying about this...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:04 AM, shelly tognazzini <
>>>>>>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there anyway of contacting her or finding out more about the
>>>>>>>>> bail conditions? Are you able to do the research for contacts D? I would
>>>>>>>>> support finding out what we can do and how to best bring the issues
>>>>>>>>> surrounding this case and the criminilization of HIV to a better
>>>>>>>>> light...maybe she just needs to know she has support and finding out how to
>>>>>>>>> connect with her through her lawyer/ family or CTV?? CTV should be slapped
>>>>>>>>> as well... As Kath says, VERY SENSITIVE issue,
>>>>>>>>> need to ensure the media does not skew an effort to support an
>>>>>>>>> already enflamed and complicated case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thoughts out there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Denise Becker <
>>>>>>>>> dbecker106 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You know as much as I hate putting my face on media these days
>>>>>>>>>> then at some point, if we women want to support a fellow female, we need to
>>>>>>>>>> get together as a VIVA group and have a news conference.
>>>>>>>>>> Denise
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Kath Webster <
>>>>>>>>>> kathwebster at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a sensitive and complex issue and I recognize that many
>>>>>>>>>>> women have become positive due to their sex partners not disclosing. I
>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the damage that criminalization does far outweighs the
>>>>>>>>>>> misguided intention of ‘protecting the public’. Richard Elliot from the HIV
>>>>>>>>>>> Legal Network summed it up well: “ it’s like cracking a nut with a sledge
>>>>>>>>>>> hammer” . The Edmonton police acted WAY over the top and it only
>>>>>>>>>>> perpetuates an evil stereotype of us as HIV positive people. One motto I
>>>>>>>>>>> heard at last summer’s International AIDS conference was “ Criminalize HATE,
>>>>>>>>>>> not HIV”****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a link to the Global Network of People with HIV with
>>>>>>>>>>> their stance on it. It is an document entitled ’10 Reasons to Oppose the
>>>>>>>>>>> Criminalization****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnpplus.net/images/stories/Rights_and_stigma/10reasons_english.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is Reason #1****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Criminalizing HIV transmission is justified only when
>>>>>>>>>>> individuals purposely or maliciously transmit HIV with the intent to harm
>>>>>>>>>>> others. In these rare cases, existing criminal laws can and should be used,
>>>>>>>>>>> rather than passing HIV-specific laws.*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>> viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca] *On Behalf Of *Denise Becker
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* August-09-11 3:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with
>>>>>>>>>>> sexual assault****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> she has now been denied bail!****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/08/09/alberta-hiv-teen-in-court.html
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>>>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No surprise something like this is in Deadmonton.
>>>>>>>>>>> Center of the mass conformity where the police are the front line
>>>>>>>>>>> unaccountable enforcers of the mass corrupt freakshow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mainstream media is ridiculous at best and do not ask any hard
>>>>>>>>>>> questions I have, which are basically the same as you posted Ally.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Meegwetch/thank you
>>>>>>>>>>> tami
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM, James and Ally Keating <
>>>>>>>>>>> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Hi All*****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> * I am so saddened by the actions of this policing department
>>>>>>>>>>> and how they handled this situation. It is another example of people with
>>>>>>>>>>> HIV being treated morally and not medically. It saddens me that this YOUNG
>>>>>>>>>>> woman has been made a pirah in her own community, not to mention a criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>> personally I think this is a societal issue and not a criminal issue. By
>>>>>>>>>>> attacking this type of behaviour in a criminal manner, how many people will
>>>>>>>>>>> be pushed under ground. How many won't get tested due to a criminal
>>>>>>>>>>> prosecution as possible consequences if they screw up. I also don't get it
>>>>>>>>>>> why it is always up to the person who has the HIV to protect the other
>>>>>>>>>>> sexual partner. Why are each person not responsible for protecting
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Don't get me wrong, I don't think a person with HIV should be
>>>>>>>>>>> having multiple encounters of unprotected sex...but that is my belief.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if any of you want to comment or send an email to the Edmonton
>>>>>>>>>>> Police department then the link for that is below. It is the compliment,
>>>>>>>>>>> complaint and concern email address at the edmonton police commission. Be
>>>>>>>>>>> well all, Ally*****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *info at edmontonpolicecommission.ca*****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Positive Living BC Board of Directors<board at positivelivingbc.org>;
>>>>>>>>>>> viva <Viva at lists.resist.ca> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2011 9:17 AM****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with
>>>>>>>>>>> sexual assault****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110807/EDM_teenfound_110807/20110807/?hub=EdmontonHome
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network is trying to help this girl.
>>>>>>>>>>> There is a video on this page too. The channel released her name and photo
>>>>>>>>>>> before hiding it later.****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Denise****
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