[Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual assault

Margarite Sanchez margaritesanchez at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 11:30:56 PDT 2011 

Thanks to all of you for the information and concern for this young woman
who is still just a child.
Personally, I would like to see ViVA advocate on her behalf. By responding
to the media, to the Edmonton police and showing our support to her.
I say *solidarity *with our poz sisters!
I will start by writing to the Edmonton Police email address that Ally
sent.info at edmontonpolicecommission.ca
but maybe we can also do something as a group and that way no one needs to
sign it unless they are totally comfortable with using their names.
I am absolutely against the criminalization of HIV, I know it is deadly but
no other disease in history has been demonized like this. Syphilis and
gonorrhea used to be a deadly STI before antibiotics! No one gets arrested
or even a slap on the wrist for giving someone herpes!
Of course I don't agree with anyone intentionally spreading HIV but there
are *many* reasons why people don't disclose.
I say lets give this young woman our support.

Margarite




On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am interested to know from anyone who belongs to VIVA if they feel that
> the stand of helping this girl is not what you believe should be done.  Some
> women may feel that they were infected directly as a result of someone not
> informing you and you may be having a hard time with the emotions you are
> feeling regarding this girl and her status.  If you are having a hard time
> with it, then please do not feel afraid to tell me or, if you feel
> comfortable telling me, then tell anyone in VIVA.  We are definitely not
> there to judge you and want to hear from all sides.  I would hate to think
> that we are writing about this girl if not everyone is agreed.
>
> All the best,
> Denise
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM, James and Ally Keating <
> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:
>
>> **
>> *Hello All,   *
>> *     I think it's a great idea to get more info, so thanks Denise and
>> Shelly for putting that out there and getting what we can. It would be great
>> if there was some way to get e-mails/messages of support to this young
>> woman....I'm sure she feels quite alone and isolated, even if surrounded by
>> people who love her...I know I did early on. Also want to say thanks Kath
>> for posting the GNP+ link of "10 points against criminalization" it's well
>> thought out, as much of what GNP+ does.*
>> *    And Tami, I too feel great frustration and even anger at the knee
>> jerk actions of the Edmonton Police Department and also the Courts who gave
>> the police authorization to release to the community (and the world) a
>> public safety warning which contained this young girls name, photo
>> and labeled her a "threat to public safety".I mean ARE THEY SERIOUS???
>> Unfortunately they are. I also want to reiterate what Shelly wrote and point
>> out that this is not an "Edmonton only" problem (although some communities
>> seem to have more instances than others). These type of actions and
>> reactions are nation wide and systemic. Every instance of marginalization,
>> discrimination, violation of civil rights, ostracizing, violence etc..that
>> happens every day all over the world may not have as serious public and
>> legal consequence as this present situation but are very serious and need to
>> be addressed. I see this present situation as a door opener for this issue
>> of treatment of persons with HIV to be brought to the four front of public
>> attention. I think this is something which should happen because of the
>> publicity surrounding what happened in Edmonton but it is something that
>> should also be separate. I don't want to see this young woman being put
>> forth as a poster girl for HIV right violation (unless she chooses to do
>> this herself). Instead I do hope it is more along the lines of "what
>> happened in Edmonton is happening every day, everywhere". *
>> *    HIV needs to be seen and dealt with as a medical issue not a moral
>> or legal issue. Once this situation was moved from the medical, human realm
>> into the dehumanizing legal realm and rhetoric and fear mongering were added
>> in, a disservice was done to all, the HIV+ community, the general community
>> and those in all forms of law/legal services. I truly hope that some general
>> good can come from this situation since I see very little good that can
>> happen for this young woman as a result of this. Let's keep her in our
>> hearts and prayers.   :) Ally*
>> **
>> ****
>> **
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:21 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>> assault
>>
>> I can look in to independent media if you want Denise, although you
>> undoubtedly know more than I...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:20 AM, shelly tognazzini <
>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> what I meant by CTV?? is F--- CTV !! Edmonton is uptight for sure but
>>> there is a vibrant and vital arts scene there and many folk who do not
>>> represent the stereotypes linked to Alberta...there are several independent
>>> media sources including one of the most respected independent radio station
>>> (with talk programming as well I believe) in the country: CKUA!
>>> Wonder what they are saying about this...?
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:04 AM, shelly tognazzini <
>>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there anyway of contacting her or finding out more about the bail
>>>> conditions? Are you able to do the research for contacts D? I would support
>>>> finding out what we can do and how to best bring the issues surrounding this
>>>> case and the criminilization of HIV to a better light...maybe she just needs
>>>> to know she has support and finding out how to connect with her through her
>>>> lawyer/ family or CTV?? CTV should be slapped as well... As Kath says, VERY
>>>> SENSITIVE issue,
>>>> need to ensure the media does not skew an effort to support an already
>>>> enflamed and complicated case.
>>>>
>>>> thoughts out there?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know as much as I hate putting my face on media these days then at
>>>>> some point, if we women want to support a fellow female, we need to get
>>>>> together as a VIVA group and have a news conference.
>>>>> Denise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Kath Webster <kathwebster at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  This is a sensitive and complex issue and I recognize that many
>>>>>> women have become positive due to their sex partners not disclosing.   I
>>>>>> believe that the  damage that criminalization does  far outweighs the
>>>>>> misguided intention of ‘protecting the public’. Richard Elliot from the HIV
>>>>>> Legal Network summed it up well:  “ it’s like cracking a nut with a sledge
>>>>>> hammer”  .  The Edmonton police acted WAY over the top and it only
>>>>>> perpetuates an evil stereotype of us as HIV positive people.  One motto I
>>>>>> heard at last summer’s International AIDS conference was “ Criminalize HATE,
>>>>>> not HIV”****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a link to the Global Network of People with HIV with their
>>>>>> stance on it.   It is an document  entitled ’10 Reasons to Oppose the
>>>>>> Criminalization****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gnpplus.net/images/stories/Rights_and_stigma/10reasons_english.pdf
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is Reason #1****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Criminalizing HIV transmission is justified only when individuals
>>>>>> purposely or maliciously transmit HIV with the intent to harm others. In
>>>>>> these rare cases, existing criminal laws can and should be used, rather than
>>>>>> passing HIV-specific laws.*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto:
>>>>>> viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca] *On Behalf Of *Denise Becker
>>>>>> *Sent:* August-09-11 3:05 PM
>>>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>>>> assault****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> she has now been denied bail!****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/08/09/alberta-hiv-teen-in-court.html
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No surprise something like this is in Deadmonton.
>>>>>> Center of the mass conformity where the police are the front line
>>>>>> unaccountable enforcers of the mass corrupt freakshow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mainstream media is ridiculous at best and do not ask any hard
>>>>>> questions I have, which are basically the same as you posted Ally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meegwetch/thank you
>>>>>> tami
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM, James and Ally Keating <
>>>>>> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *Hi All*****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *    I am so saddened by the actions of this policing department and
>>>>>> how they handled this situation. It is another example of people with HIV
>>>>>> being treated morally and not medically. It saddens me that this YOUNG woman
>>>>>> has been made a pirah in her own community, not to mention a criminal.
>>>>>> personally I think this is a societal issue and not a criminal issue. By
>>>>>> attacking this type of behaviour in a criminal manner, how many people will
>>>>>> be pushed under ground. How many won't get tested due to a criminal
>>>>>> prosecution as possible consequences if they screw up. I also don't get it
>>>>>> why it is always up to the person who has the HIV to protect the other
>>>>>> sexual partner. Why are each person not responsible for protecting
>>>>>> themselves. Don't get me wrong, I don't think a person with HIV should be
>>>>>> having multiple encounters of unprotected sex...but that is my belief.
>>>>>> Anyway, if any of you want to comment or send an email to the Edmonton
>>>>>> Police department then the link for that is below. It is the compliment,
>>>>>> complaint and concern email address at the edmonton police commission.  Be
>>>>>> well all, Ally*****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *info at edmontonpolicecommission.ca*****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* Positive Living BC Board of Directors<board at positivelivingbc.org>;
>>>>>> viva <Viva at lists.resist.ca> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2011 9:17 AM****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>>>> assault****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110807/EDM_teenfound_110807/20110807/?hub=EdmontonHome
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network is trying to help this girl.
>>>>>>  There is a video on this page too.  The channel released her name and photo
>>>>>> before hiding it later.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denise****
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