[Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual assault

Wed Aug 10 11:45:26 PDT 2011

I am interested to know from anyone who belongs to VIVA if they feel that
the stand of helping this girl is not what you believe should be done.  Some
women may feel that they were infected directly as a result of someone not
informing you and you may be having a hard time with the emotions you are
feeling regarding this girl and her status.  If you are having a hard time
with it, then please do not feel afraid to tell me or, if you feel
comfortable telling me, then tell anyone in VIVA.  We are definitely not
there to judge you and want to hear from all sides.  I would hate to think
that we are writing about this girl if not everyone is agreed.

All the best,
Denise

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM, James and Ally Keating <
keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:

> **
> *Hello All,   *
> *     I think it's a great idea to get more info, so thanks Denise and
> Shelly for putting that out there and getting what we can. It would be great
> if there was some way to get e-mails/messages of support to this young
> woman....I'm sure she feels quite alone and isolated, even if surrounded by
> people who love her...I know I did early on. Also want to say thanks Kath
> for posting the GNP+ link of "10 points against criminalization" it's well
> thought out, as much of what GNP+ does.*
> *    And Tami, I too feel great frustration and even anger at the knee
> jerk actions of the Edmonton Police Department and also the Courts who gave
> the police authorization to release to the community (and the world) a
> public safety warning which contained this young girls name, photo
> and labeled her a "threat to public safety".I mean ARE THEY SERIOUS???
> Unfortunately they are. I also want to reiterate what Shelly wrote and point
> out that this is not an "Edmonton only" problem (although some communities
> seem to have more instances than others). These type of actions and
> reactions are nation wide and systemic. Every instance of marginalization,
> discrimination, violation of civil rights, ostracizing, violence etc..that
> happens every day all over the world may not have as serious public and
> legal consequence as this present situation but are very serious and need to
> be addressed. I see this present situation as a door opener for this issue
> of treatment of persons with HIV to be brought to the four front of public
> attention. I think this is something which should happen because of the
> publicity surrounding what happened in Edmonton but it is something that
> should also be separate. I don't want to see this young woman being put
> forth as a poster girl for HIV right violation (unless she chooses to do
> this herself). Instead I do hope it is more along the lines of "what
> happened in Edmonton is happening every day, everywhere". *
> *    HIV needs to be seen and dealt with as a medical issue not a moral
> or legal issue. Once this situation was moved from the medical, human realm
> into the dehumanizing legal realm and rhetoric and fear mongering were added
> in, a disservice was done to all, the HIV+ community, the general community
> and those in all forms of law/legal services. I truly hope that some general
> good can come from this situation since I see very little good that can
> happen for this young woman as a result of this. Let's keep her in our
> hearts and prayers.   :) Ally*
> **
> ****
> **
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* shelly tognazzini <shetognazzini at gmail.com>
> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:21 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
> assault
>
> I can look in to independent media if you want Denise, although you
> undoubtedly know more than I...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:20 AM, shelly tognazzini <
> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> what I meant by CTV?? is F--- CTV !! Edmonton is uptight for sure but
>> there is a vibrant and vital arts scene there and many folk who do not
>> represent the stereotypes linked to Alberta...there are several independent
>> media sources including one of the most respected independent radio station
>> (with talk programming as well I believe) in the country: CKUA!
>> Wonder what they are saying about this...?
>>
>>  On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:04 AM, shelly tognazzini <
>> shetognazzini at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anyway of contacting her or finding out more about the bail
>>> conditions? Are you able to do the research for contacts D? I would support
>>> finding out what we can do and how to best bring the issues surrounding this
>>> case and the criminilization of HIV to a better light...maybe she just needs
>>> to know she has support and finding out how to connect with her through her
>>> lawyer/ family or CTV?? CTV should be slapped as well... As Kath says, VERY
>>> SENSITIVE issue,
>>> need to ensure the media does not skew an effort to support an already
>>> enflamed and complicated case.
>>>
>>> thoughts out there?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You know as much as I hate putting my face on media these days then at
>>>> some point, if we women want to support a fellow female, we need to get
>>>> together as a VIVA group and have a news conference.
>>>> Denise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Kath Webster <kathwebster at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  This is a sensitive and complex issue and I recognize that many women
>>>>> have become positive due to their sex partners not disclosing.   I believe
>>>>> that the  damage that criminalization does  far outweighs the misguided
>>>>> intention of ‘protecting the public’. Richard Elliot from the HIV Legal
>>>>> Network summed it up well:  “ it’s like cracking a nut with a sledge
>>>>> hammer”  .  The Edmonton police acted WAY over the top and it only
>>>>> perpetuates an evil stereotype of us as HIV positive people.  One motto I
>>>>> heard at last summer’s International AIDS conference was “ Criminalize HATE,
>>>>> not HIV”****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a link to the Global Network of People with HIV with their
>>>>> stance on it.   It is an document  entitled ’10 Reasons to Oppose the
>>>>> Criminalization****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gnpplus.net/images/stories/Rights_and_stigma/10reasons_english.pdf
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Reason #1****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Criminalizing HIV transmission is justified only when individuals
>>>>> purposely or maliciously transmit HIV with the intent to harm others. In
>>>>> these rare cases, existing criminal laws can and should be used, rather than
>>>>> passing HIV-specific laws.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto:
>>>>> viva-bounces at lists.resist.ca] *On Behalf Of *Denise Becker
>>>>> *Sent:* August-09-11 3:05 PM
>>>>> *To:* viva at lists.resist.ca
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>>> assault****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> she has now been denied bail!****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/08/09/alberta-hiv-teen-in-court.html
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Tami Starlight <
>>>>> tamistarlight at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> No surprise something like this is in Deadmonton.
>>>>> Center of the mass conformity where the police are the front line
>>>>> unaccountable enforcers of the mass corrupt freakshow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mainstream media is ridiculous at best and do not ask any hard
>>>>> questions I have, which are basically the same as you posted Ally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meegwetch/thank you
>>>>> tami
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:06 PM, James and Ally Keating <
>>>>> keatingfamilycircus at telus.net> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>>  *Hi All*****
>>>>>
>>>>> *    I am so saddened by the actions of this policing department and
>>>>> how they handled this situation. It is another example of people with HIV
>>>>> being treated morally and not medically. It saddens me that this YOUNG woman
>>>>> has been made a pirah in her own community, not to mention a criminal.
>>>>> personally I think this is a societal issue and not a criminal issue. By
>>>>> attacking this type of behaviour in a criminal manner, how many people will
>>>>> be pushed under ground. How many won't get tested due to a criminal
>>>>> prosecution as possible consequences if they screw up. I also don't get it
>>>>> why it is always up to the person who has the HIV to protect the other
>>>>> sexual partner. Why are each person not responsible for protecting
>>>>> themselves. Don't get me wrong, I don't think a person with HIV should be
>>>>> having multiple encounters of unprotected sex...but that is my belief.
>>>>> Anyway, if any of you want to comment or send an email to the Edmonton
>>>>> Police department then the link for that is below. It is the compliment,
>>>>> complaint and concern email address at the edmonton police commission.  Be
>>>>> well all, Ally*****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *info at edmontonpolicecommission.ca*****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>>   ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Denise Becker <dbecker106 at gmail.com> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* Positive Living BC Board of Directors<board at positivelivingbc.org>;
>>>>> viva <Viva at lists.resist.ca> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2011 9:17 AM****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* [Viva] latest from CTV on HIV girl charged with sexual
>>>>> assault****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110807/EDM_teenfound_110807/20110807/?hub=EdmontonHome
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> The Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network is trying to help this girl.  There
>>>>> is a video on this page too.  The channel released her name and photo before
>>>>> hiding it later.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise****
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