[Ticst] Hey all - check this out

Thu Oct 10 11:02:21 PDT 2013

Hi Joseph and all,

I won't be there today, not able to make it up to campus. I don't have
totally clear articulated thoughts about this, but after our meeting I
reflected a bit on what we'd talked about and the way that the energy
coalesced that evening to sort of produce the moment where doing a casual
event in convo mall emerged.

Honestly I am wary of the optics of it - three (or more) white-looking
folks, perhaps more men than women, standing and voicing their
frustrations. I definitely think provocation and stirring the pot is a
great tactic, but I wonder how this one-off event reproduces some of the
manifestations of structure that we talked about as problematic that night.

Also am wary of the cyclical way that we jump towards action without having
thought through potential ramifications. I feel a pendulum swing in myself
- from frustration at the seeming lack of collective/public action (which I
actually think is somewhat false, it may just not be happening is such
visible places), then at the other end the desire to *do something*, to
create a "rupture" in the everyday monotony.

I think that this pendulum swing is the conceptual problem that also
contributes to a feeling of flailing sometimes, after having done the
rupture and not getting a desire -but unspecified- response form the social
back. "Rupture" events also seem qualitatively negative (that in itself a
great tactic too) in that they critique and grate. I wonder about flipping
this around, and rather than staging the negative grate, going a step
further from that and offering something creative (the negation of the
negation to get all dialectical about it....

just some thoughts, and appreciate you all taking the time to read these
too many words.

natalie

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Joseph Leivdal <jleivdal at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I want to confirm if anyone who was as Natalie's will be coming tomorrow
> to the soapbox? Or anyone else?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Leivdal <jleivdal at sfu.ca>
> To: Joseph Giardini <joegia at gmail.com>
> Cc: ticst at lists.resist.ca
> Sent: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 22:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Ticst] Hey all - check this out
>
> Hey All!
>
> So tonight we had Natalie, Darren, Ben and myself. We met, caught up, and
> then kind of found ourselves humming and hawing about how we should
> proceed/what is to be done. Which actually led us into a really awesome
> discussion about how difficult it is to create a broad, unified social
> movement when life is so fragmented - and yet the Right manages to pull it
> off... hmmm... I actually kind of wish I had taken notes, it was a really
> good discussion.
>
> We found no substantial answers. However, what had led us into the
> discussion was a question posed by Natalie: why did Tics dissolve? Was it
> something about the terms of association? etc. Thus the talk about all of
> or fragmented lives and the confusing inability to find a common cause even
> amongst ourselves.
>
> SO we decided that if we aren't unified in terms of a broader struggle,
> then we can be unified in our frustration. So on Thursday the 10th at 2pm,
> we are going to meet at Convocation Mall and take turns standing on a box
> and yelling about why we are frustrated. We still have to work on the
> details of the box, and I'm going to try to get my hands on a megaphone so
> we don't lose our voices. However, this is an open invite - the more of us
> there are the better we can stand in solidarity with each other for this
> nerve-wracking but potentially liberating and totally health experience.
> Spread the word! We hope you can come.
>
> Think of it as a social experiment - we decided that the less official
> organizing the better, and to approach this as a casual and open-ended
> event. It's time to engage in some emotional agitation. If anyone has a
> video camera please bring it so we can document this process!
>
> Joseph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Giardini" <joegia at gmail.com>
> To: "Natalie Knight" <knightnr at gmail.com>
> Cc: ticst at lists.resist.ca
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:14:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ticst] Hey all - check this out
>
>
>
> Ah! I totally forgot about the meeting this evening! Hope it was
> productive, and looking forward to seeing you all again at the next one.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> On 29 September 2013 17:55, Natalie Knight < knightnr at gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Darren,
>
>
> Agree on the huffpost article. Ugh!
>
>
> If it works for everyone, why don't we meet at my place at 7pm. 358 Powell
> Street, between Gore and Dunlevy, green door-gate. Give me a call and I'll
> open up.
>
>
> natalie
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Darren Chang < darren.chang at live.com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Haven't seen you all in a long time! I'm down to meet tomorrow at 7pm.
> Should we make a decision on location?
>
> Also, not sure how the men's centre thing is going at SFU but it's sad and
> disturbing to see huffpost give this much space to MRA despite including
> some perspectives from feminist scholars:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/27/mens-rights-canada-centres_n_4001456.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
>
> see you soon!
> Darren
>
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0700
> From: knightnr at gmail.com
> To: scollis at sfu.ca
> CC: ticst at lists.resist.ca
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Ticst] Hey all - check this out
>
>
> Let's try for this coming Monday, say 7pm? Folks are super welcome here
> (358 Powell Street) or if we'd prefer a public space, there's The Grind on
> Main Street.
>
>
> looking forward to seeing you all.
>
>
> natalie
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Stephen Collis < scollis at sfu.ca > wrote:
>
>
> Glad to hear this pick up again!
>
> Monday probably works for me (generally), though I'm heading into a crazy
> couple of weeks, and might not be available until a few weeks into
> October...
>
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Leivdal" < jleivdal at sfu.ca >
>
> To: "Ben" < blevy at sfu.ca >
> Cc: ticst at lists.resist.ca
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:54:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ticst] Hey all - check this out
>
> We were meeting at Reg's place before. Is commercial drive still a good
> location for everyone to get to?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben" < blevy at sfu.ca >
> To: "Joseph Leivdal" < jleivdal at sfu.ca >, "Natalie Knight" <
> knightnr at gmail.com >
> Cc: ticst at lists.resist.ca
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:53:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ticst] Hey all - check this out
>
>
>
> I'm absolutely in - Monday evening would be preferable, but Sunday also
> works!
> -Ben
>
>
> Joseph Leivdal < jleivdal at sfu.ca > wrote:
>
> I would like to do this as well. Sunday is all full for me, but I could do
> a Monday evening?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Natalie Knight" < knightnr at gmail.com >
> To: "Stephen Collis" < scollis at sfu.ca >
> Cc: "Joseph Leivdal" < jleivdal at sfu.ca >, ticst at lists.resist.ca
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:34:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ticst] Hey all - check this out
>
>
> Hi Joseph and Steve - whoa, apologies for the deelay in reply to you both!
> The how-to for the open access journal is a great to know, and that
> collection Steve looks really exciting.
>
>
> We've drifted quite a ways since the springtime, and I imagine and hope
> that everyone has been doing and chasing the things that inspire. I also
> regret not asking us to come together over the summer, to at least check in
> and speak about what we are all up to individually, in other collectives,
> and how this group does or doesn't get its w!
> ings off
> the ground.
>
>
> I'd still like to talk about this, and also hear about where people's
> energies are multiplying. We also shared quite a few ideas for projects
> that might be good to revisit, whether they shoot up from this group or
> shoot elsewhere. Is there any interest in gathering on an upcoming Sunday
> or Monday (or another) eve?
>
>
> natalie
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Stephen Collis < scollis at sfu.ca > wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Joe!
>
> There's this too - new militant research handbook on-line:
>
> http://roarmag.org/2013/09/militant-research-handbook-occupy-theory /
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Leivdal" < jleivdal at sfu.ca >
> To: ticst at lists.resist.ca
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:49:32 PM
> Subject: [Ticst] Hey all - check th!
> is out
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I hope you all had a great summer. Here are two links that everyone should
> really check out - it is especially relevant considering what we we
> discussing regarding publications.
>
> This one:
> http://thesiswhisperer.com/2013/09/04/how-to-start-an-open-access-journal/
> Is all about how to start an open access journal - a concept which I think
> has a lot of potential.
>
> Here is the link to the software itself:
> http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ojs
>
> Thoughts?
>
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