[SWAF-Potluck] Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING!

Tue Jun 9 23:44:18 PDT 2015

I also wonder about voice recognition.
Not that I want my own voice recognised any more than it already is.

But if there is a wanted poster directed to sex workers it could be helpful
to also mention whether the man had an accent or anything else identifiable
about his manner of speaking, tone, choice of words etc. , since mostly,
the telephone is a point of contact an indoor worker often is using prior
to contact.

I realise that somebody desperate might be able to change their accent, but
not everyone is able to, depending on how adept their language skills are,

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015, Andrew Sorfleet <a.sorfleet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Susan. You've made me think! :^)
>
> It was your comment about the poor quality of closed curcuit tv
> surveillance. There's no excuse for that with today's technology. I bet
> there's even face-recognition software you could plug ugly mugs into.
>
> Sadly police can now get a warrant to seize your security surveillance
> recordings to identify and bust your clients.
>
> Still, might be an angle. We are inhibited from setting up skookum video
> pre-screening security because police can seize recordings as evidence
> against clients.
>
> This is a way the law hampers sex workers' security.
>
> A.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 10:38 AM, susan davis <susan.1968 at hotmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','susan.1968 at hotmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> thankyou everyone! another member of perb posted the filer as a photo so
> its been covered.
>
> and yes andrew....indoor security protocols as i described are not as good
> as we would like but have worked pretty well through the years....the truth
> is most clients are decent people and intend us no ill will....so the risk
> is not that high inside....however, the one who gets through...is enough to
> destroy a life....one is too many.....
>
> the clients are less and less willing to provide any detailed info about
> themselves under the new legal regime too....so the screening becomes vague
> questions and making the client call from the area sort of thing...
>
> i often think of nurses and other professions where people are injured or
> killed at a higher rate than normal....there was a study once out of UofV
> about just that...comparing conditions and job satisfaction i believe
> between sex work and other jobs...
>
> do we make those jobs illegal and more dangerous...? no
>
> we give the people working in those jobs the tools to make the safest
> decisions possible about their work....would we send a police officer out
> with a gun and no training? sink or swim as they do to sex workers...?
>
> enough ranting...
>
> love susie
> ------------------------------
> From: jharthur at shaw.ca <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jharthur at shaw.ca');>
> To: swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca');>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:28:27 -0700
> Subject: [SWAF-Potluck] Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING!
>
> Here is a jpg Susan!  I just made it now to post on the FIRST Facebook
> page.
>
> Joyce
>
>
>
> *From:* SWAF-Potluck [mailto:swaf-potluck-bounces at lists.resist.ca
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','swaf-potluck-bounces at lists.resist.ca');>] *On
> Behalf Of *susan davis
> *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2015 5:58 PM
> *To:* swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca');>
> *Subject:* Re: [SWAF-Potluck] Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING!
>
>
>
> lynda made no effort to contact me....she has my email, so i don't know
> why she would say she tried to reach me when she didn't....
>
>
>
> it would be helpful if the vpd would send me the jpg file of the photo so
> i can upload it or post it with the warning....
>
>
>
> it might be more useful to know his phone number as that is the preferred
> mode of booking and the photo doesn't make much difference when screening
> by phone....it's only useful when they are at your door and then its too
> late....we all know how bad front door cam's are....totally
> blurry.....also, photo's don't help much via text or email.....
>
>
>
> or if they knew of aliases he used in the past etc...
>
>
>
> anyway, i posted it...
>
> love susie
> ------------------------------
>
> From: kerrylporth at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerrylporth at gmail.com');>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 16:51:28 -0700
> To: a.sorfleet at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a.sorfleet at gmail.com');>
> CC: swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca');>
> Subject: Re: [SWAF-Potluck] Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING!
>
> The VPD sex work liaison tried Susie but was unable to reach her.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Sorfleet <a.sorfleet at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a.sorfleet at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Great idea. Susan is on this list but i have cc 'd her as well just in
> case.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Claire Monet <clairemonetvancouver at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clairemonetvancouver at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know Susi's email?  I feel this should be posted on the Public
> Service Announcement section of perb which is used by a lot of workers.  I
> am hesitant to post it myself as he seems scary, and Susi has always been
> an advocate of safety.  Her perb inbox is full so I cannot reach her that
> way.
>
>
>
> If anyone else wants to take the liberty of posting this I'm sure it would
> be helpful to reach a broader audience.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Claire
>
> xx
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Kerry Porth <kerrylporth at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerrylporth at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Just to be clear, this is a warning from the VPD and there is no evidence
> he's grown a beard and/or left the area. Speculating about him isn't
> helpful in terms of staying safe.
>
>
>
> In solidarity,
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Kamile Kapel <kamilekapel at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kamilekapel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I'm glad to hear he's grown a beard and left the area.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Aimee Heart <aimee4heart at hotmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aimee4heart at hotmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> She's right.
>
> He is (cute) and probably charming and smarter than I give him credit for.
>
> I imagine also that he has left the area, has grown a beard.
>
> (thats what I see when I look at the picture- and that is how my abilities
> work)
>
>
>
> *'If criminals all look like criminals there would be none.'* -- What an
> officer said to me after an incident in my 20's, long long ago.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:30:07 -0700
> Subject: [SWAF-Potluck] Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING!
> From: annasmithmar at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','annasmithmar at gmail.com');>
> To: chenoadj at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chenoadj at gmail.com');>
> CC: aimee4heart at hotmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aimee4heart at hotmail.com');>;
> swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
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>
>
>
> I am not so sure that he would not see somebody 'high class' or
> intelligent.
>
> Since I don't know him, I don't know what class he is and since he has
> been successfully evading the police since May 21st (after being sought in
> connection with his mother's murder), he is probably also intelligent.
>
>
> If you Google his name you will see a picture of him looking nicer ( quite
> cute) than he does on this mugshot. Also online, some of the kids he went
> to high school with in Richmond said they were sorry about him; that he was
> a nice kid. I had been following this story since I live in Richmond, where
> his mother's murder took place.
>
>
>
> Just wanted to remind people that a killer might not appear evil looking,
> and one on the run could appear charming, esp.when looking for a place to
> hide, so be careful everybody !
>
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Chenoa Johnston <chenoadj at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chenoadj at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I feel the same...
>
> And it's awesome to see the VPD Liason posting these online now.  Now for
> a database online of bad dates!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Aimee Heart <aimee4heart at hotmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aimee4heart at hotmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Nope.
>
> And I doubt, we would.
>
> My senses/experience tells me a guy like this does not see high class,
> expensive intelligent women.
>
> I could be wrong, it's happened once before.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 08:22:36 -0700
> From: ohmymagdalena at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ohmymagdalena at gmail.com');>
> To: swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
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> Subject: Re: [SWAF-Potluck] Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING!
>
>
>
> I've never seen him. Has anyone else?
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Chenoa <chenoadj at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chenoadj at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > Please read attached PDF ~
> >
> > From: Shakra <shakraarts at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','shakraarts at gmail.com');>>
> > Date: June 6, 2015
> > Subject: Fwd: [FIRST] WARNING
> >
> > From: Velvet Steele <velvet at velvetsteele.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','velvet at velvetsteele.com');>>
> > Date: June 5, 2015 at 23:46:23 PDT
> > To: FIRST <first at cybersolidaires.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','first at cybersolidaires.org');>>
> > Subject: [FIRST] WARNING!
> > Reply-To: FIRST <first at cybersolidaires.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','first at cybersolidaires.org');>>
> >
> > I am sending this out to the list serve in the hopes that you can post
> where ever you may think workers will go, or do go. Let me know where you
> post please!
> >
>
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