[SWAF-Potluck] news: B.C. micro-brothels thriving

Thu Oct 3 15:55:55 PDT 2013

Magdalena,

Home based businesses are totally legal - though I believe there is a limit to the number of business clients you can have coming to your home - depending on your local zoning bylaws or strata or whatever - 

But sex work may fall under privacy law ? and so I'm not sure how that applies 

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On 2013-10-03, at 12:24, Magdalena <ohmymagdalena at gmail.com> wrote:

> i love that part in the draft bylaw where no license is required, and also if this part is kept in, being allowed to do it as a HOME BASED BUSINESS. Am I recalling correctly? That's practically unheard of in Vancouver, you can't do any home based business where you have visitors or retail...
> 
> GREAT JOB!
> 
> And good to focus on the exploitation part of the industry... that is what should remain illegal... 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM, susan davis <susan.1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> yes, working from home or in a place where 2 or 3 share the bills for an incall-( no one person in charge) are and always have been technically legal. we have pushed police to re-examine how they were interpreting the laws and they have come around to our way of thinking. their public enforcement policy which we helped to develop is published on the "Counter Exploitation Unit" section of the VPD web site.
>  
> we also pushed for the renaming of VICE. we just kept saying " is it fun to exploit and imprison a child? is it like gambling? is it like having a beer? its not a VICE, its a crime."
>  
> the police seem to genuinely want to adress exploitation and so they changed the name to better reflect that....and i think to shut me up!!lol
>  
> the city will be revising some by-laws but will be implementing an over bridging policy to govern the way all city departments interact with our industry.
>  
> individuals working independantly will not be required to have licenses nor will individual workers in parlours or agencies. currently there is mandatory "massage training certification". that's being removed....
>  
> so it will not be what we originally asked for in opening the doors but i think that's good. there were many problems with those recommendations. i can't share documents from that work yet but i will as soon as its allowed.
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:09:42 -0700
> From: ohmymagdalena at gmail.com
> CC: Swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
> 
> Subject: Re: [SWAF-Potluck] news: B.C. micro-brothels thriving
> 
> Thank you for all your work, everybody.
> 
> Is what is bring said here, is that an indoor location where you are an EMPLOYEE is a brothel -- is this the definition of a common bawdy house -- but if you are an independent, indoor worker working for yourself, that is completely legal??
> 
> Keeping my fingers crossed on those draft Vancouver bylaws, they are really great, and of course the supreme court decision! Way to go team!
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 3, 2013, Bowen, Raven <raven1 at mail.ubc.ca> wrote:
> > Hey Trina,
> > I think Sue sent this to the First listserv. We've been raving about her:)
> > Rave
> >
> > Trina Rose <trina.rosecat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just forwarding this (see below) because I think Sue sent it to me only by accident. You're amazing, Sue. Thank you for all that you do. xo
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: susan davis <susan.1968 at hotmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SWAF-Potluck] news: B.C. micro-brothels thriving
> > To: "trina.rosecat at gmail.com" <trina.rosecat at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > tanx youse guys.....stay tuned for the city task force wrap up!! the work on the task force is almost done and will soon become policy inside vancouver. with the city and VPD on board as well as coastal health....we are building a better tomorrow for our industry!! i feel real change coming....the charter challenge decision should be coming down any time now....
> >
> > we are trying to fight for sex industry community inclusion here and on the prairies where forced licensing,etc. are already popping up but we have a better chance i believe if we focus our activities locally, here in the lower mainland. we have enough credibility to suceed in creating an open and fair industry....i hope. crossing fingers....
> >
> > love susie  
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:11:56 -0700
> > From: trina.rosecat at gmail.com
> > To: a.sorfleet at gmail.com
> > CC: nswp-open-discussion at lists.nswp.org; listserve at prostitutesunite.org; swaf-potluck at lists.resist.ca
> > Subject: Re: [SWAF-Potluck] news: B.C. micro-brothels thriving
> >
> > Well done, Susie. xoxo
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Andy Sorfleet <a.sorfleet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This article appeared on the front page of the Vancouver 24 Hours as well. I can't figure out exactly where the story comes from however. There are no research studies or statistics or police reports quoted. It's almost like the writer invented it and called around for quotes.
> > Susan Davis did a great interview that Monday on CKNW. She talked about being really good neighbours and how Vancouverites (I prefer Vancouvereans :^) are not naive and already know etc. and addressed the difference between sex trafficking and working. She diffused any hysteria the article might whipped up. The host, Simi Sara was good too! :^)
> > Cheers,
> > Andy 
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> > http://www.torontosun.com/
> > TORONTO SUN
> > Monday, September 30, 2013
> > Jeremy Nuttall, 24 HOURS
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> >
> > B.C. micro-brothels thriving
> > [photo caption]
> > Image of a woman peering out from her apartment. (Fotolia.com)
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> > VANCOUVER -- A crackdown on Lower Mainland massage parlours has led to an increase in so-called micro-brothels run out of apartments and rental properties around the region, according to experts.
> > Sex-worker activist Sue Davis said buying and selling sex is legal between consenting adults in private, but when someone rents an apartment and allows others to use it for sex acts as employees it becomes a brothel and illegal.
> > Despite the clampdown and closures, brothel operators are still willing to accommodate sex workers looking for a safe place to work, she said.
> > "Instead of being an agency owner with one static location you've got 10 suites where different workers go and make money," Davis said.
> > Burnaby, B.C., RCMP Staff Sgt. Major John Buis said it has been noticed -- unlike in d 
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