[Smashpatriarchy] Postering at UBC?

Fri Oct 25 03:02:14 PDT 2013

I see what Aylon is saying. I think that the non-SAP members saw the
posters without the SAP blurb and the absence informed their decision to
post up the posters. I would assume that people posting the posters with
the SAP blurb would message SAP to inform SAP.

I agree that SAP should also be cautious not to adopt a general strategy of
anonymity when taking action as a group.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Aylon C <aylon.c at gmail.com> wrote:

> That makes sense folks - though I have my reservations about anonymity. I
> think it is a tactic and thus needs to be discussed as a tactic in a
> specific time and place, and perhaps this was that time and place where it
> was important. As someone who written both publicly and anonymously, my
> experiences have taught me to be cautious of the fact that without
> identification (with SAP) *as a general strategy*, we absolve ourselves
> of responsibility and the ability to be accountable for what we do. The
> reason we got feedback and were able to grow was because we did something
> as SAP - the danger in removing the public name is that the power dynamics
> or problematic elements do not disappear, just the name, and with the name,
> the opportunity for directed critique and growth.
>
> Just my thoughts. Glad the posters went up the all the same.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Michael Gabriel Rosen <
> m.gabriel.rosen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just want to say, as someone reading from 'afar' (in the sense that I
>> have never come to a meeting): Nice work taking in feedback and not letting
>> it paralyse you from taking effective and timely action!!!
>> In solidarity,
>> Michael
>> On Oct 24, 2013 11:36 AM, "Peter Gill" <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Darren.  I think it was a mistake to include the blurb
>>> about SAP on the first poster run.  It should be about consent and not
>>> about us.  I don't have much to say about the effectiveness with the media.
>>>  But if there was a cbc story it would have become about us.  Which would
>>> have been super fucked.
>>>
>>> I think less public SAP stuff is in order.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Darren Chang <darren.chang at live.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> re: previous email
>>>>
>>>> (3) specifically in the context of sexual assaults at UBC, it was
>>>> important to not appear, perhaps even slightly, as though a group of
>>>> (mostly) men are taking advantage of the situation to do some group
>>>> promotion
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> From: darren.chang at live.com
>>>> To: aylon.c at gmail.com; smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca
>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:11:55 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [Smashpatriarchy] Postering at UBC?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Aylon,
>>>>
>>>> There was no collective decision to remove the SAP blurb on the
>>>> posters. I personally made that decision after briefly consulting with
>>>> another SAP member and decided it was a good idea from various angles: (1)
>>>> uncertainty about whether SAP should publicly take credit for the work we
>>>> do after previous discussions and (2) it made sense to keep the posters
>>>> anonymous since the postering itself was done with non-SAP members
>>>> currently organizing against recent series of sexual assaults at UBC.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have thoughts on this now that we have seen the effects of
>>>> anonymity in the media? How might the dynamics have been different if this
>>>> CBC report showed the posters were done by SAP with the original blurb?
>>>>
>>>> Darren
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 17:07:53 +0100
>>>> From: aylon.c at gmail.com
>>>> To: smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca
>>>> Subject: [Smashpatriarchy] Postering at UBC?
>>>>
>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Have we decided to no longer us the SAP blurb on the posters? (I did
>>>> some here in the UK but left the SAP blurb on). Unless SAP wasn't behind
>>>> this and someone else was inspired ;)
>>>> By contrast, the posters — posted anonymously — offer tips to the
>>>> attacker and to others who would consider such a crime:
>>>>
>>>>    - "Don't be a creep! Learn how to manage your sex drive."
>>>>    - "Make consent part of your approach."
>>>>    - "Learn how to deal with rejection."
>>>>    - "Recognize that many women are bombarded with sexual interest."
>>>>    - "If you slip up, and everyone does, learn how to make amends."
>>>>    - "Don't be a rapist! Someone walking alone is NOT an invitation
>>>>    for you to rape or assault."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/don-t-be-a-rapist-posters-get-mixed-reaction-at-ubc-1.2187660
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