[Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters

[usman x]

yeah i was first going to suggest something like "keep in mind many
women are bombarded with sexual interest, invitations, harassment,
groping, and worse on an almost constant basis" or "bear in mind ... "
or "be cognizant of the fact that ... " but those were all long and
awkward so had suggested remember instead.

theres also something like " be aware of ... " or "be conscious of
..." " be attentive to ... ' " be mindful of ..." or "acknowledge that
... "

but i like recognize, it combines recall and be cognizant in one word.
u



On 7 January 2013 22:10, reg johanson <regjohanson at gmail.com> wrote:
> i like "recognize". minutes from yesterday coming...
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Darren Chang <darren.chang at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Chris on
>>
>> "Recognize that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,
>> invitations, harassment, groping, and worse
>>  on an almost constant basis."
>>
>> 'Recognize' indicates that this is the reality/fact, or we could use
>> "Recognize the fact that" just to be clearer. Using 'recognize' also allows
>> us to skip "Because it's true"  and leaves room for more productive action
>> word/phrase in the end similar to Disengage in tip #5. Maybe something like,
>> respect their space.
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: christopher.leinonen at gmail.com
>> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 23:14:15 -0800
>> To: petergill85 at gmail.com
>> CC: smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
>>
>> Ah, good point about "understand".  The funny thing is that it was
>> suggested by a female friend of mine as an alternative to 'recognize'.
>>
>> I feel like "Believe..." doesn't quite follow the same tone as the rest of
>> the posters.  They've already got a confrontational edge (which is
>> important!) but "Because it's true" seems to push it further from mainstream
>> accessibility.
>> Then again #4 was slightly different in tone from the others to begin
>> with, so I dunno.  Only other thing is that "Believe" has the connotation of
>> being a matter of faith.
>>
>> I'd go with "Recognize," if only because it fits the original tone.  And,
>> though design considerations are secondary to clarity of message, it will be
>> easier to fit legibly onto a poster.
>>
>> -C
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like: Believe the reality that many women are bombarded with sexual
>> interest, invitations, harassment, groping, and worse on an almost constant
>> basis.
>> Because it's true.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Fiona Balazsi <balazsi.f at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
>> To: Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> i hesitate to tell men to "understand" women's experiences.. because they
>> can't.
>> maybe
>>
>> Believe the reality that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,
>> invitations, harassment, groping, and worse on an almost constant basis.
>> Because it's true.
>>
>> or
>> Recognize that many women are bombarded with sexual interest, invitations,
>> harassment, groping, and worse on an almost constant basis.
>>
>> in tip #5 i think that Deal with is clear enough.
>>
>> feel free to forward these thoughts to the SAPs
>>
>> love and rage,
>> ff
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Christopher Leinonen" <christopher.leinonen at gmail.com>
>> Date: Jan 6, 2013 9:29 PM
>> Subject: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
>> To: <smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca>
>>
>> Hey folks!
>> So overall, as we've seen, the Don't Be A Creep Posters went over really
>> well.  But there have been some issues brought up regarding the wording of
>> Tip #4 (which I think could also apply to Tip #5).  To refresh:
>>
>> Tip #4:
>> Deal with the fact that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,
>> invitations, harassment, groping, and worse on an almost constant basis.
>>
>> Tip #5:
>> Deal with the possibility that she'll receive your interest differently
>> than you intend.  Disengage.
>>
>> Regarding #4 in particular, there's been a bit of confusion as to what is
>> meant by "Deal with..."
>> So at the meeting today, we agreed that we should reconsider the wording
>> before we package these up as PDFs for wider distribution.
>>
>> My suggestion:
>> Understand that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,
>> invitations, harassment, groping, and worse on an almost constant basis.
>> Or possibly "Understand the fact that..." to hew closer to the original
>> wording.
>>
>> I think this particular issue of wording came up because #4 and #5 were
>> originally a single tip but had to be separated to make them properly
>> digestible for a poster.  #5 still uses the "deal with" language, but I
>> think since it has the imperative "Disengage," the meaning is more clear.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> -Chris
>>
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