[Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters

[reg johanson]

i like "recognize". minutes from yesterday coming...

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Darren Chang <darren.chang at live.com> wrote:

>  I agree with Chris on
>
> *"Recognize *that *many women are bombarded with sexual interest,* invitations,
> harassment, groping, and *worse*
>  on an almost constant basis."
>
> 'Recognize' indicates that this is the reality/fact, or we could use
> "Recognize the fact that" just to be clearer. Using 'recognize' also allows
> us to skip "*Because it's true"  *and leaves room for more productive
> action word/phrase in the end similar to *Disengage* in tip #5. Maybe
> something like, *respect their space*.
>
> Darren
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: christopher.leinonen at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 23:14:15 -0800
> To: petergill85 at gmail.com
> CC: smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca
>
> Subject: Re: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
>
> Ah, good point about "understand".  The funny thing is that it was
> suggested by a female friend of mine as an alternative to 'recognize'.
>
> I feel like "Believe..." doesn't quite follow the same tone as the rest of
> the posters.  They've already got a confrontational edge (which is
> important!) but "Because it's true" seems to push it further from
> mainstream accessibility.
> Then again #4 was slightly different in tone from the others to begin
> with, so I dunno.  Only other thing is that "Believe" has the connotation
> of being a matter of faith.
>
> I'd go with "Recognize," if only because it fits the original tone.  And,
> though design considerations are secondary to clarity of message, it will
> be easier to fit legibly onto a poster.
>
> -C
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like: *Believe* the reality that *many women are bombarded with sexual
> interest,* invitations, harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost
> constant basis.
> *Because it's true.*
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Fiona Balazsi* <balazsi.f at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
> To: Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com>
>
>
> i hesitate to tell men to "understand" women's experiences.. because they
> can't.
> maybe
>
> *Believe* the reality that *many women are bombarded with sexual interest,
> * invitations, harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost constant
> basis.
> *Because it's true.*
>
> or
> *Recognize *that *many women are bombarded with sexual interest,* invitations,
> harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost constant basis.
>
> in tip #5 i think that Deal with is clear enough.
>
> feel free to forward these thoughts to the SAPs
>
> love and rage,
> ff
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Christopher Leinonen" <christopher.leinonen at gmail.com>
> Date: Jan 6, 2013 9:29 PM
> Subject: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
> To: <smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca>
>
> Hey folks!
> So overall, as we've seen, the Don't Be A Creep Posters went over really
> well.  But there have been some issues brought up regarding the wording of
> Tip #4 (which I think could also apply to Tip #5).  To refresh:
>
> Tip #4:
> *Deal with the fact that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,*invitations, harassment, groping, and
> *worse* on an almost constant basis.
>
> Tip #5:
> *Deal with the possibility that she'll receive* your interest differently
> than you intend.  *Disengage.*
> *
> *
> Regarding #4 in particular, there's been a bit of confusion as to what is
> meant by "Deal with..."
> So at the meeting today, we agreed that we should reconsider the wording
> before we package these up as PDFs for wider distribution.
>
> My suggestion:
> *Understand that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,* invitations,
> harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost constant basis.
> Or possibly "Understand the fact that..." to hew closer to the original
> wording.
>
> I think this particular issue of wording came up because #4 and #5 were
> originally a single tip but had to be separated to make them properly
> digestible for a poster.  #5 still uses the "deal with" language, but I
> think since it has the imperative "Disengage," the meaning is more clear.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Chris
>
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