[Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters

[Christopher Leinonen]

Ah, good point about "understand".  The funny thing is that it was
suggested by a female friend of mine as an alternative to 'recognize'.

I feel like "Believe..." doesn't quite follow the same tone as the rest of
the posters.  They've already got a confrontational edge (which is
important!) but "Because it's true" seems to push it further from
mainstream accessibility.
Then again #4 was slightly different in tone from the others to begin with,
so I dunno.  Only other thing is that "Believe" has the connotation of
being a matter of faith.

I'd go with "Recognize," if only because it fits the original tone.  And,
though design considerations are secondary to clarity of message, it will
be easier to fit legibly onto a poster.

-C

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like: *Believe* the reality that *many women are bombarded with sexual
> interest,* invitations, harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost
> constant basis.
> *Because it's true.*
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Fiona Balazsi <balazsi.f at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
>> To: Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> i hesitate to tell men to "understand" women's experiences.. because they
>> can't.
>> maybe
>>
>> *Believe* the reality that *many women are bombarded with sexual
>> interest,* invitations, harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost
>> constant basis.
>> *Because it's true.*
>>
>> or
>> *Recognize *that *many women are bombarded with sexual interest,* invitations,
>> harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost constant basis.
>>
>> in tip #5 i think that Deal with is clear enough.
>>
>> feel free to forward these thoughts to the SAPs
>>
>> love and rage,
>> ff
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Peter Gill <petergill85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Christopher Leinonen" <christopher.leinonen at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Jan 6, 2013 9:29 PM
>>> Subject: [Smashpatriarchy] Regarding the Creep Posters
>>> To: <smashpatriarchy at lists.resist.ca>
>>>
>>> Hey folks!
>>> So overall, as we've seen, the Don't Be A Creep Posters went over really
>>> well.  But there have been some issues brought up regarding the wording of
>>> Tip #4 (which I think could also apply to Tip #5).  To refresh:
>>>
>>> Tip #4:
>>> *Deal with the fact that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,*invitations, harassment, groping, and
>>> *worse* on an almost constant basis.
>>>
>>> Tip #5:
>>> *Deal with the possibility that she'll receive* your interest
>>> differently than you intend.  *Disengage.*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> Regarding #4 in particular, there's been a bit of confusion as to what
>>> is meant by "Deal with..."
>>> So at the meeting today, we agreed that we should reconsider the wording
>>> before we package these up as PDFs for wider distribution.
>>>
>>> My suggestion:
>>> *Understand that many women are bombarded with sexual interest,* invitations,
>>> harassment, groping, and *worse* on an almost constant basis.
>>> Or possibly "Understand the fact that..." to hew closer to the original
>>> wording.
>>>
>>> I think this particular issue of wording came up because #4 and #5 were
>>> originally a single tip but had to be separated to make them properly
>>> digestible for a poster.  #5 still uses the "deal with" language, but I
>>> think since it has the imperative "Disengage," the meaning is more clear.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> -Chris
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