[Shadow_Group] government involvement in OKC bombing!?
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Tue Oct 19 00:45:33 PDT 2004
NEWS ARTICLES
Reasons to suspect government involvement in the OKC bombing
1.. They had the most to gain.
2.. The ATF were already on the scene in bomb squad gear - before the bombing
3.. The ATF lied about their own heroics. They reported free falling in an elevator
several stories. The elevator inspectors testified that the elevators locked in place
as they were designed and did not free fall.
4.. The destruction pattern is vehemently denied by independent experts as having
been possible by a truck on the street.
5.. Columns were knocked out that were further away from the blast than weaker
columns that were closer to the blast that remained.
6.. Seismographs indicated multiple blasts. Seismographs of the raising proved the
multiple shocks were not the building collapse.
7.. Reports of pulverized concrete and remaining re bar indicate contact explosives.
8.. Destruction of the building was done in spite of no safety hazard before independent
investigators could inspect the columns to determine what kind of blast toppled them.
9.. Only like minded investigators were allowed to investigate the destruction.
10.. Trim, sheet rock, furring strips were in place close to the bomb while steel and concrete
columns were decimated FURTHER away.
11.. The rest of the building was structurally sound, almost impossible if a street bomb cause
all the damage.
12.. The collapsed columns and header beams fell straight down. A blast from the street
would have sent them flying away from the blast. Contact explosives in the columns
would cause them to fall straight down.
13.. Calculations of blast pressure of 4800 pounds of ammonium nitrate would produce
0.5 million pounds at 4.5 feet but only 375 pounds at A5 in the picture below. At the
B-row it would be 27-38 pounds per square inch and at A7 only 25-35 psi. The
yield strength of concrete is about 3500 psi.
14.. The EglinTest Structure, a reinforced concrete 3 story structure provides "concrete"
data on blast effects. The blast effects tests were conducted by the Wright Laboratory
at Eglin Air Force. It used a blast approximately half as powerful as the alleged OKC
truck bomb. Only the first story wall was knocked out with pressures of 90 to 130 psi.
The bomb was 830 pounds of Tritonal (roughly 2200 pounds of ANFO) at ground
level 25 feet away. No columns were knocked down. The columns were 14 inch.
The walls were 6 inch concrete panels.
15.. After reviewing the Eglin Test a number of civil engineers have also concluded that
the Murrah Building destruction was not the result of just the truck bomb. That includes
Mike Smith of Cartersville, Georgia, commissioned to review the Eglin study. He stated
that even if the ANFO device was constructed with racing fuel the 4800 pound device
could not have damaged the columns and beams of the building enough to produce a
catastrophic failure.
16.. Robert Frias of Arlingon Texas with 40 years of engineering practice concurred that
the truck bomb could not have done the damage.
17.. Alvin Norberg of Auburn, California with 50 years engineering experience and experience
on over 5000 construction projects also concluded that the destruction had to be
done from mechanically coupled devices.
18.. Kenneht Gow of Whittier, CA with 50 years experience in aerospace also agreed
internal explosives must have been used.
19.. The grand jury was not permitted to interview any witnesses that testified to a John
Doe II, many suspect this was the government agent involved.
20.. A light pole just yards from the blast was left standing. Few believe the truck blast
could have been "that" directional. They would have to use a lot of sand bags or
other weight to do so. That would have left less room in the truck for explosive!
21.. A comparable bomb in Bogota of the DAS (Columbia Police) building in the last
picture did very little structural damage. The DAS building bomb caused damage
for 26 blocks. Survivors described it as a "mini A-bomb". It was 1300 pounds
of dynamite which is much more powerful pound for pound than ammonium nitrate mixture.
22.. I recall seeing an editorial about a State department or FBI spokesman quoting
Hitter's burning of the Reichstag speech after the bombing almost verbatim. (Hitler
caused the burning and blamed it on his enemies.)
23.. Bob Ricks - the FBI PR man at Waco was appointed director of public safety in
OK after the bombing.
24.. Larry Potts who gave the shoot to kill order at Ruby Ridge was appointed director
of the FBI investigation in OK
25.. James Nichol's hearing tape was blank after FOI prosecution to obtain it.
26.. Witnesses and helpers were frequently told to shut up. Many were pressured
to change their stories.
27.. Grand Jury was prohibited from questioning any of the numerous witnesses that
claimed to have seen a John Doe 2.
28.. Fortier originally denied believing McVeigh had any thing to do with the bombing
until the FBI raided his home.
29.. FBI crime lab implicated with much falsifying of evidence.
30.. Witnesses admitted they were pressured by the FBI to implicate McVeigh.
31.. Over 100 documents have been sealed by court order.
32.. McVeigh defense was not allowed to explore the possibility that other people
that may have been involved. This would prevent any defense that McVeigh
was set up. ...When was the last time your license plate fell off? How could he
hope to have any defense except a frame up given that he had considered the
very act he was convicted of?
33.. The aerial photo of a secretly loaded Rider truck the week before the bombing at an army base nearby together with other reports of 2 trucks involved. Furthermore at this site there were drums and mixers that look like the necessary equipment to make a fertilizer bomb. This photo is disputed as to the date and location. The pilot who took the picture has not come forward to affirm it's authenticity. This is a popular internet controversy.
34.. At the trial there was only a tiny embedded fragment of possible fertilizer remains
(ammonium nitrate) introduced as evidence that it was a fertilizer bomb yet the
FBI "knew" it was a fertilizer bomb within 24 hours. Other experts say it is nearly
impossible to have such total elimination of fertilizer.
35.. McVeigh's selling merchandise in a newspaper months earlier under a fake name
was almost immediately disclosed by the Washington Post from ADL sources.
How was this possible if McVeigh was not already the target of investigation? It
was alleged that he used income from this to finance the bombing. The Post story
reported the ads to run Aug 9, 1993 but the newspaper reported that it was actually
run Aug 16, 1993. Thus the ADL was privy to knowing McVeigh's INTENTIONS
to run the ad and not from actually following the placement of the ad. Thus the ADL
had a contact in McVeigh's inner circle of friends. The magazine (Spotlight<http://okcbombing.org/News%20Articles/Editorials/www.spotlightorg>) had a
number of events indicating an attempt to implicate them in the OKC bombing. The
phone card used by McVeigh was from Spotlight. Someone called and complained
that the card (Daryl Bridges) didn't work. Staff at Spotlight used the number to verify
that it did work. (Thus creating a "link" to Spotlight) Two days before the bombing a
letter from OKC including a "Black Sunday" Depression postcard of Oklahoma in
1935 and a copy of a Spotlight article 12 years old about Gordon Kahl ( a patriot
gunned down by the Feds after he killed FBI agents shooting at his son). Spotlight's
attorney Mark Lane turned over the information to the FBI and now the FBI claims
to have lost it.
36.. The 155 page brief filed by Stephen Jones is very specific about government involvement.
The judge of course did not allow any argument indicating accomplices or agent provoceturs.
37.. CNN reported in June of 1995 that McVeigh was under surveillance 2 years earlier
at an Arizona gun show as expressing violent attitudes toward the BATF and FBI.
38.. The Washington Post reported June 3, 1995 that one of McVeigh's associates first
tipped the FBI might have been involved in the bombing contradicting the claim that
an eagle-eyed police officer spotted McVeigh;s resemblance to the bombing suspect.
39.. How did the truck axle that identified the truck not get blasted into the crater but
instead bounced a couple blocks away and stayed in good shape. It had to be put
back in its spot to be photographed. Controversy has arisen that the original axle the
government evidenced was a light truck axle and later replaced with a heavier one.
40.. Cary Gagan was recruited by the FBI as an informant. He reported to the FBI he had
been asked to drive a truck transporting a detonator to the abandoned Stapleton
Airport to blow up a federal building. He claims to have been attacked and told to
shut up. He has filed suit in Denver - case 97 S 308.
41.. A member of the OKC Fire Department stated that he was called about a week before
the bombing and told to be in a state of extra "readiness" because of a bomb threat
to the federal building.
42.. Miss Carol Howe, on the BATF payroll for $120 per week also told BATF in Tulsa
that a terrorist was planning to blow up the Federal Building on April 19. She also
named Andreas Strassmeir as one who was connected to the conspiracy. (Many
believe Strassmeir was a government agent.) Former Tulsa beauty queen Howe
is now charged with conspiring to make a bomb threat and possession of a destructive
device.
43.. Two key witnesses have mysteriously died. Yeakey, OKC police officer cited for
extraordinary bravery after the OKC bombing became disillusioned about the police
force, writing in a letter that they falsified information and covered up what was happening.
Yeakey's ex-wife said that about 2 weeks before his death he would show up 2
or 4 in the morning and talk about getting remarried and getting an insurance policy
so she and the kids would be taken care of. She knew his death was not suicide -
the official report. He would have known that insurance doesn't pay for suicide
until after a few years. The other death was a Dr. Chumley who refused to falsify
reports concerning injuries that BATF agents suffered when the building was bombed.
He died Sept 24, 1995 when his plane suddenly plunged into a field.
44.. Johnnie Cochran has been retained by more than 300 relatives of the victims in
OKC. They are also alleging a botched sting operation. The Sunday Times of
London reported that the BATF was about to arrest a group of "neo-Nazis" who
were said to be plotting to blow up federal buildings in Oklahoma.
45.. A dynamite wrapper and nitroglycerin were found at the bomb site. Dynamite contains
ammonium nitrate.
46.. An Inspector General of the Justice Department report concluded that the fertilizer
hypothesis was not based on forensic evidence from the crime scene but was conjured
out of thin air after ammonium nitrate fertilizer was found at the home of Terry Nichols.
47.. The government apparently "botched" handling Tim McVeighs property when he was
picked up by the FBI. An undeveloped roll of film was missing. The jail employee
said it was picked up by someone else. Did it contain photo's of John Doe #2?
Government agents? (This was revealed in trial testimony by Deborah Thompson
of the Nobel County Jail.)
48.. Detectives were ordered not to look for finger prints in Nichol's home. Why?
Would they find someone they wanted to protect?
49.. The trial also revealed many oddities. McVeigh's fingerprints were not on anything
in Elliot's body shop where the truck was rented. Not on the contract. Not on the
storage locker where the explosives were kept. Not on the ammunition cans. Not
in the Dreamland Motel. The only thing they were on was the receipt for the fertilizer -
which he was not involved in the transaction!
50.. If McVeigh/Nichols had cased the Federal building, why did they have to stop to
ask directions? If a bomber was going to ask directions wouldn't they ask for the
location of a nearby building instead?
51.. Why would McVeigh use his own name and give the Nichols as a reference if he
were en route to a bombing?
52.. Why would Elohim City not be a target for identifying co-conspirators since:
a.. Elohim City housed gangsters calling themselves Aryan Republican Army
b.. Make videos of themselves boasting nuclear, chemical and biological warfare
capabilities
c.. McVeigh calling a German ex-soldier running the enclave's security who's
expertise is explosives
d.. The gangsters were wanted for a 2 year spree of 22 bank robberies. A grand
jury handed down indictments Jan 30, 1997.
e.. A convicted murderer Richard Snell venerated as a martyr was scheduled to
die on the day of the bombing and repeatedly predicted a bombing or explosion
the day he died.
f.. The same murderer was involved in a plot to attack the Murrah Building 12
years earlier
g.. An ATF informant in their camp informed the ATF that the security director
/explosives expert announced it was time to go to war and blow up federal
buildings
h.. The same informant (Carol Howe) tells the FBI and ATF that McVeigh and
John Doe #2 at the compound. Carol had a falling out with Mahon of Elohim
City. When they broke up he threatened her and she reported it to the police.
The ATF found out and she began to work as an informer for the ATF. When
McVeigh's defense asked for her informant records, the ATF said they didn't
exist. When it was evidenced that the records did exist, Judge Matsch angrily
ordered the records be delivered to the defense and threatened the prosecutors
with removal from the case if they lied to him one more time.
Seem's to defy understanding that the FBI did not investigate anyone at the compound.
The AP (Paul Query) quoted an unnamed official in Washington as saying the "Elohim
City is not a current subject of interest." Yet the ATF and FBI has gone on a rampage
post OKC raiding gun dealers, militia groups and others and many of their cases fell
apart in court. Hmm.
53.. The Washington Post acknowledged May 10, 1997 how selective the prosecution
was in only calling witnesses who would identify McVeigh. They did not call the person
who delivered the Chinese food (although they called the owner to testify that "Kling"
ordered the food) because the delivery man said the person taking the food was NOT
McVeigh!
54.. Was Iraqi Toval - who was deported 10 days after the bombing "under escort and
airtight security" and reported by witnesses to have been in McVeigh's company prior
to the bombing - the real John Doe #1? Was McVeigh mistakenly identified considering
quite a number of witnesses were pressured by the FBI to identify McVeigh?
55.. According to testimony, the residue found on McVeigh's clothing, earplugs, but not
shoes or carpet can be from gunpowder. McVeigh did target practice shooting.
56.. Dr. Whitehurst, supervisory special agent and bombing specialist in the FBI's forensics
lab in Washington charged that some of his colleagues have been falsifying evidence
for years. He seems to have made remarks regarding the McVeigh residue tests.
57.. The "officially authorized" book In Their Name erroneously depicts the location of
the bomb crater in an attempt to explain away Gen. Partin's analysis showing that
there had to be other explosives. Column B3 collapsed but the truck was parked
between A4 and A5. B4 would have received 40% of the blast pressure but did
not come down
58.. In Martin Keiting's (brother of OK governor Frank, former FBI agent and assistant
secretary of Treasury who supervised the Secret Service, U.S. Customs and BATF;
Uncle Barney headed the Navy's foreign intelligence collection unit; Martin has
numerous intelligence contacts) book The Final Jihad completed in 1991 but
released in 1996 conveyed some remarkable coincidences. The terrorist network
was in Oklahoma. A key figure was Tom McVey. The terrorists were arrested
on a minor traffic violation by an unsuspecting highway patrolman. However,
the villains in the book were KGB, North Korean and East German hard liners
who's plans are carried out by Middle Eastern fanatics.
59.. The government's position of a single blast is based on FaAA's (Failure Analysis
Associates of Menlo Park, CA) analysis which explains how a vacuum behind the
blast shock wave causes debris to be scattered outside the building instead of into
the building. The July 1997 issue of Popular Mechanics has an article on this. They
fail to mention any of the substantial reasons so many experts are willing to testify
that a single bomb could not have caused all the damage.
60.. The Strassmeir connection has a number of bizarre twists. When his station wagon
was impounded by Oklahoma Highway patrol there were papers that appeared to
be classified detailing negotiations by Strassmeir on behalf of Petruskie Associates
of Manassas, Virginia to buy Boeing 747's from Lufthansa Airlines. This doesn't fit
the impoverished log cabin setting of Elohim City - negotiating multimillion dollar
deals. It was released by someone claiming to be from the State Department when
they told the police Strassmeir had diplomatic immunity. He was the same head of
security at Elohim City that led the cry for bombings to begin. Vincent Petruskie
(Strassmeir's Lufthansa partner) was described by Strassmeir as a former CIA guy
who my father had known. Petruskie told The New American magazine that Andi
wanted to work for the U.S. government - DEA, Justice - undercover. He thought
his background with military and German government would help. Strassmeir fled
to Germany through Mexico just as the U.S. government decided they "wanted"
to talk with him. Which they finally did by phone.
61.. British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reported additional evidence that
Strassmeir gave additional testimony he was a U.S. undercover operative and
there was an inside informant. In the Sunday Telegraph (Britains largest daily paper)
Evans-Pritchard asked Strassmeir if the informant would ever speak out. Andi replied
"How can he? What happens if it was a sting operation from the very
beginning? What happens if it comes out that the plant was a provocateur?
What then? The relatives of the victims are going to go crazy, and he's going
to be held responsible for the murder of 168 people? Of course the informant
can't come forward. He's scared stiff right now."
62.. Arlin Adams and other members of militia groups put together the "Unwanted"
poster below and militia groups in Philadelphia began posted them in Brescia's
neighborhood. He was shortly thereafter arrested and charged in the ARA bank
robbery spree. Brescia had played in a skinhead rock band at Elohim City,
disappeared for several months after Strassmeir returned to Germany. He
surfaced at his parent's home in Philadelphia. He was arrested January 30,
1997. The fed's still have no interest in him as to possible connections to the OKC bombing.
OKC bomb damage pattern
Columns near blast
with sheet rock
Bogota DAS bldg
Summary
Why didn't McVeigh's defense get to use the "conspiracy card". Why did the judge
disallow any defense premise of McVeigh being framed? Why couldn't even the grand
jury interview any witnesses that identified a John Doe #2? Sounds like the "show" trials
in any other communist country! The people just want a conviction, not the truth!
Richard Matsch allowed victim testimony - which had nothing to do with proving who
committed the crime - on the pretense that there had to be proof that a crime had been
committed. So we can conclude that the judge has a low opinion of the Jury's intelligence.
Matsch is reportedly a very pro-government judge - He does what the prosecution wants.
It seems McVeigh was involved, and if so, is guilty of murder. But what also seems
glaringly obvious, is that the government was aware, as in the World Trade Center
bombing, and has acted guilty of a cover up. If so, they are guilty of murder as well.
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