[Sdalliance] Open Letter to May 1st Coalition

Mon Mar 6 19:08:23 PST 2017

Just seconding what Yesi said.  No problem with the letter being sent.  I
was only referring to this debate via email.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Yesenia Padilla <yeseniatpadilla at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Compas:
>
> I don't believe Tanner was saying that Colectivo shouldn't have sent out
> the email, as we did agree at the mass meeting that Colectivo should send
> the letter for orgs/individuals to review, and to contact Colectivo
> directly about signing on if they choose to do so.
>
> Colectivo sending the letter out through the listserv is absolutely fine,
> it was agreed to, and it was agreed to that people would contact Colectivo
> directly if they chose to sign on.
>
> I believe what Tanner was referring the ensuing debate only, not the
> sending of the email.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yesi
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:08 PM, colectivo zapatista <
> colectivozapatistainfo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Its a little late in the game. Folks should have said, when Colectivo
>> Zapatista brought up the letter in the mass mtg,  "Compas, can you please
>> send the letter in xyz way"? Now. It seems like a quick "let's not talk
>> about this issue, cause it could be divisive", approach. Where was the
>> protocol notice before? What other way could we have sent the letter for ;
>> all folks to review?
>>  Just being real compas.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 12:52 PM, "Tanner Smith" <gulfcoastsurfer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a reminder, and speaking from Communications Committee.  This
>>> listserv is strictly for discussing business of CRSD.  It is not an
>>> appropriate forum for debate.  This particular conversation needs to wrap
>>> up in this space.  Please email me if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Tanner
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Rafael Bautista <rafadaone at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred, I am not sure if you are aware but this  is a list serv for SD
>>>> Collective Resistance, not SDAJ.  Either way, this liberal ideology that is
>>>> plaguing people on the "left" is very worrisome.  Here we have an adopted
>>>> points of unity that explicitly states that we are anti-sexist but we have
>>>> Fred talking about some kind of situation that is up for debate.  This is
>>>> not up for debate.  Yes, It will carry its due process in the courts but
>>>> people are already aware of the events.  Not only because the allegations
>>>> come from very credible and incredible women, but because we have seen time
>>>> and time again the tactics of petty bourgois bosses.  Mickey is a union
>>>> boss that has sided with the wealthy time and time again, usually for
>>>> self-gain.
>>>>
>>>> The letter also mentions Genoveva, who comrades have been suppressed
>>>> by.  I am actually even more disappointed when people who can make a
>>>> difference, like Fred who is a delegate to the Labor Council (from
>>>> UC/AFT Local 2034; not coming out in support of the workers who are being
>>>> abused by corrupt union bosses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Fred Lonidier <pres2034 at san.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rya,
>>>>> I am on the SDAJ listserve as a member so the emails about May 1 and
>>>>> the matter of Kasparian came to me that way.  It seems related to planning
>>>>> for May 1.  I am a delegate to the Labor Council (from UC/AFT Local 2034)
>>>>> which endorsed SEIU's plans.  I signed up to work on that event.  The
>>>>> matter of allegations is very serious but very hard to weigh in on without
>>>>> evidence or witnesses which can come to some adjudicating body, either
>>>>> internal to the UFCW, the CLC and/or the law.  The labor movement has had
>>>>> to be very diligent about due process as, in relations with employers, we
>>>>> have nothing without it and supervisors, owners and even other workers can
>>>>> make all kinds of claims which, without due process, can and has caused
>>>>> enormous damage to workers and our unions.  It is distressing to see the
>>>>> pickets and read the allegations but, at the same time, hard to take a
>>>>> stand on without the weight of evidence.  And I am aware that all kinds of
>>>>> acts against vulnerable people never get justice because they occur out of
>>>>> the sight of others willing to come forward.
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> Cw rape
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know who you are, and I don't think you came to any mass
>>>>> meeting so i wonder how you got on this listserv, but I want to point out
>>>>> that (one of the) allegation(s) about Mickey specifically involves
>>>>> pressuring his staff into a sexual relationship. A claim of due process
>>>>> might mean something in a world where UFCW or any local or national labor
>>>>> body as investigating. But UFCW and the Labor Council have chosen not to,
>>>>> and there is no criminal case, and as such there is no possibility of due
>>>>> process from any body that could pass judgement.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are multiple claims from multiple female staff members of the
>>>>> UFCW. What is it that leads you to side eye these women who are coming
>>>>> forward in a climate that deligitimizes their claims inside the very union
>>>>> they fought for, not to mention society at large? Why are you siding with a
>>>>> literal boss in a clear harassment and discrimination case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rya
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 5, 2017 8:38 PM, "Fred Lonidier" <pres2034 at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Ryan, I think you want to be very careful here.  So far there
>>>>> are allegations leveled at Kasparian and we see the pickets at the Delegate
>>>>> meetings.  But he is entitled to due process and whether he "attacked his
>>>>> workers" or not has yet to be established.  So far, he has the full
>>>>> confidence of the CLC Executive Board and the Delegates.  At any rate, the
>>>>> CLC is on board with May 1 as it is being headed up by SEIU.
>>>>> My laptop is pretty old so I don't seem to be able to access the
>>>>> letter to which you refer.  Can you send it as an attachment?
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> Mickey Kasparian is named in the letter explicitly, right? The man
>>>>> attacked his workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>
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