[Sdalliance] 10 Jan UPDATED Points of Unity

[Brandon Edwards-Schuth]

Hi All,

Fair points everyone has discussed, my main contention was the inclusion of
education to point 4 (and thank you for adding it!).

Solidarity
B

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Angela Risi <ang.mar.ris at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will add education into point 4. Thanks for bringing that to attention!
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Monty Kroopkin <mkroopkin at juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Also, I meant no slight to non-ML Marxists, social democrats, democratic
>> socialists, by not bringing them up before. But, clearly, those who think a
>> parliamentary pathway is important are committed to working with the
>> hierarchical state structures which exist, regardless of how much they may
>> also believe such structures should be abolished.
>>
>> The draft is showing a lot of thought and work. I wonder if the way we
>> talk about colonization or colonialism is as sharp as we might get it, yet.
>> On the one hand, most of the focus there historically has been about
>> Western European (and derivative settler colony) aggression and empire.
>> However, there are other peoples with a stake in the colonization issue.
>> The Russian Empire expanded eastward to the Pacific and the current Russian
>> state still controls many colonized populations. How do we talk about
>> national liberation movements there, such as in Chechnya? Or, what
>> about how we talk about Kurdish national liberation within Turkey?
>>
>> Also, I suggest we move the points about environmental sanity up to the
>> top of the list and separate climate change out from other environmental
>> and conservation issues.
>>
>> mk
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>
>>
>> I second Monty on this. Thanks for writing that up.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Monty Kroopkin <mkroopkin at juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Brandon, all,
>>>
>>> As much as I and others of self-described libertarian left tendencies
>>> agree with 'opposition to hierarchy' or agree with another term which we
>>> have heard raised also, 'anti-authoritarian', we cannot expect to forge a
>>> working coalition of the type we are attempting if we insist on such terms.
>>> Organizations and individuals who believe some form of 'democratic
>>> centralism' is a core principle for themselves are likely to regard some
>>> forms of hierarchy as a good thing. Therefore, this could be a splitter
>>> issue and it could be objectively a sectarian and divisive stance to push
>>> to have it be included in points of unity.
>>>
>>> mk
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Not sure if this is the medium for bring up an observation I have with a
>>> specific point, but shouldn't point 4 also contain access to free education
>>> as a human right too? Another observation (though perhaps it's implied with
>>> "self-determination and liberation" throughout it all) is a point regarding
>>> our opposition to hierarchy.
>>>
>>> Solidarity,
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Angela Risi <ang.mar.ris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Here are the UPDATED Points of Unity as of January 10th, 2017.
>>>>
>>>> In solidarity,
>>>>
>>>> Angela
>>>>
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