From tim.stallmann at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 07:37:36 2010
From: tim.stallmann at gmail.com (Tim Stallmann)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:37:36 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] welcome!
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrYvi=MjLBAVKUAndjC8K22Xyx42te5FWWfMMu@mail.gmail.com>

we have a listserve, finally!

time to get organizing!

-tim


From akinkatie at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 08:04:10 2010
From: akinkatie at gmail.com (Katie Akin)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:04:10 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] welcome!
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Excellent (and fast) work Tim!

Does this mean there is a space for a website, too?

Katie


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Tim Stallmann <tim.stallmann at gmail.com>wrote:

> we have a listserve, finally!
>
> time to get organizing!
>
> -tim
> _______________________________________________
> Recomposingunc mailing list
> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
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From lashton89 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 11:45:01 2010
From: lashton89 at gmail.com (Laurel Ashton)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:45:01 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] welcome!
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References: <AANLkTikrYvi=MjLBAVKUAndjC8K22Xyx42te5FWWfMMu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ohcFOA61tahXdhdyuvjvhoC1T6LWNsP=KQCYO@mail.gmail.com>
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This may be inappropriate use of the listserve, so I promise this is the
only event I will pub over it. But I think y'all would be a really great
addition to the discussion, so I hope you all come. It completely plays into
what we talked about at the first meeting, students seeing themselves "in
solidarity with" rather than as workers, but . . . . still come! There will
also be free med deli food, so that's a plus.

Laurel

Students and Workers Unite for a Better Carolina

Come join students, workers, and community members to learn about UNC-CH's
history of worker struggles on campus and to discuss how students can
support worker rights on our campus today.

Learn how Lenoir employees, with the help of UNC students, went on strike in
the 1960s and successfully increased their wages and the wages of 5,000
other state employees. Hear first hand accounts of how UNC-CH housekeepers
sued the University in the 1990s on issues of discrimination and won pay
raises and University recognition of their union. Finally, learn about
worker struggles that are happening on our campus today and talk with other
students, campus workers, and community members about how students can help
support these struggles.

Campus workers are what makes our university great. For our university
community to move forward towards a more just and equal Carolina, we must
first learn where we have been. Come be a part of the movement!

When: Monday 22nd, 6:30-8pm
Where: Hamilton 100
What: Teach-in and Discussion

Endorsed by: Campus Y, Student Action with Workers, United with Northside
Community Now, UNC National Association for the Advancement of Colored
People, Black Student Movement, Feminist Students United, Campaign for
Historical Accuracy and Truth, Alianza, Young Democrats, American
Association of University Professors at UNC-CH, Progressive Faculty Network

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Katie Akin <akinkatie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent (and fast) work Tim!
>
> Does this mean there is a space for a website, too?
>
> Katie
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Tim Stallmann <tim.stallmann at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> we have a listserve, finally!
>>
>> time to get organizing!
>>
>> -tim
>> _______________________________________________
>> Recomposingunc mailing list
>> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
>> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Recomposingunc mailing list
> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
>
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From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Sun Nov 21 15:54:20 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:54:20 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] resist.ca services
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ohcFOA61tahXdhdyuvjvhoC1T6LWNsP=KQCYO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikrYvi=MjLBAVKUAndjC8K22Xyx42te5FWWfMMu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ohcFOA61tahXdhdyuvjvhoC1T6LWNsP=KQCYO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ipzqutar.fsf@pobox.com>


Tim Stallmann Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM
>> Recomposingunc mailing list
>> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
>> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc

Hopefully youse will find the mailman UI as pleasant to use as I do. (IMHO it beats Lyris like a drum.) Only downside of resist.ca's list I can see is, they didn't integrate search with their pipermail, which restricts archive search. (I'll ask about that, but for now, please resist the urge to threadjack--more on this separately.)

Katie Akin Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:04:10 -0500
> Does this mean there is a space for a website, too?

Apparently there could be: scroll to bottom of

https://new.resist.ca/

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>


From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Sun Nov 21 16:17:30 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:17:30 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] "Students and Workers Unite for a Better Carolina"
	was: welcome!
Message-ID: <87fwuuus85.fsf@pobox.com>


https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/recomposingunc/2010-November/000002.html
> This may be inappropriate use of the listserve,

IMHO posting this particular event (see details in post, via link above)
is not:

> It completely plays into what we talked about at the first meeting,
> students seeing themselves "in solidarity with" rather than as
> workers,

Think of this event instead as a learning opportunity:

> Learn how Lenoir employees, with the help of UNC students, went on
> strike in the 1960s and successfully increased their wages and the
> wages of 5,000 other state employees. Hear first hand accounts of how
> UNC-CH housekeepers sued the University in the 1990s on issues of
> discrimination and won pay raises and University recognition of their
> union. Finally, learn about worker struggles that are happening on our
> campus today

Presumably, as workers, we can learn something from the experiences of
others--no?

> There will also be free med deli food,

Seals the deal :-)

The only way I can see in which Laurel's post (see link above) was
inappropriate, was, it threadjacked. I.e. Laurel's post replied to a
previous one

https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/recomposingunc/2010-November/000001.html

using the same subject ("welcome!"), despite in fact being about
something completely different. I'll post separately about how
threadjacking causes problems, and is easily avoided.

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>


From tim.stallmann at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 16:28:29 2010
From: tim.stallmann at gmail.com (Tim Stallmann)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:28:29 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] resist.ca services
In-Reply-To: <87ipzqutar.fsf@pobox.com>
References: <AANLkTikrYvi=MjLBAVKUAndjC8K22Xyx42te5FWWfMMu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ohcFOA61tahXdhdyuvjvhoC1T6LWNsP=KQCYO@mail.gmail.com>
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also i think i can speak for 3cs and say that we'd be happy to host
whatever content folks want on www.countercartographies.org..

-tim

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Tim Stallmann Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM
>>> Recomposingunc mailing list
>>> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
>>> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
>
> Hopefully youse will find the mailman UI as pleasant to use as I do. (IMHO it beats Lyris like a drum.) Only downside of resist.ca's list I can see is, they didn't integrate search with their pipermail, which restricts archive search. (I'll ask about that, but for now, please resist the urge to threadjack--more on this separately.)
>
> Katie Akin Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:04:10 -0500
>> Does this mean there is a space for a website, too?
>
> Apparently there could be: scroll to bottom of
>
> https://new.resist.ca/
>
> FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Recomposingunc mailing list
> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
>


From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Sun Nov 21 16:48:05 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:48:05 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] threadjacking considered harmful
Message-ID: <87d3pyuqt6.fsf@pobox.com>


https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/recomposingunc/2010-November/000003.html
>> Only downside of resist.ca's list I can see is, they didn't integrate
>> search with their pipermail,

I.e. the software that implements their mail archive, which allows one
to browse the contents of previous posts.

>> which restricts archive search. (I'll ask about that, but for now,
>> please resist the urge to threadjack

For a general definition, see
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/threadjacking

For a specific definition:

https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/recomposingunc/2010-November/000004.html
> The only way I can see in which Laurel's post (see link above) was
> inappropriate, was, it threadjacked. I.e. Laurel's post replied to a
> previous one

> https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/recomposingunc/2010-November/000001.html

> using the same subject ("welcome!"), despite in fact being about
> something completely different.

Why is threadjacking bad? 

1 It makes finding messages harder. Suppose days, weeks, months later
  you find yourself wanting to find an old message. If you've got a mail
  tool that does search (e.g. gmail), you can search on things that you
  know about the post (e.g. who it was from, text from the message), but
  that will often return lots of results. But you're SOL if you deleted
  the message, at which point you need to turn to the list archives, if
  there is one. (Thanks resist.ca!) In either case, you will eventually
  face a list of links to posts, with that list showing "Date:",
  "From:", and "Subject:" and not much else. When viewing search
  results, it *really* helps to see a "Subject:" that actually resembles
  the actual content of the message.

2 It undermines how one typically decides whether or not to read a
  message. We probably all have too much email (apologies about this
  addition, but hygeine is important), and we decide whether or not to
  read something based largely on (again) "Date:", "From:", and
  "Subject:" since that's usually most of what our email tool shows us
  about what's in our inbox. When viewing one's inbox (wait for it ...)
  it *really* helps to see a "Subject:" that actually resembles the
  actual content of the message.

Can threadjacking be easily avoided? Yes: if you reply to a message, but
the content of your message is very different to that of the original
message, or at least very different to the Subject of the message to
which you're nominally replying, use your mail tool to change the
Subject. I.e. (for most mail tools) just put the cursor in the text box
next to "Subject:", and change the contents. It's easy!

</rant>, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>


From liz.masondeese at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 04:04:51 2010
From: liz.masondeese at gmail.com (Liz Mason-Deese)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:04:51 +0100
Subject: [recomposingUNC] website and/or blog
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1RjQzMsz3+t9H9Nq_J+O6rfE5D5FWPsyKeneZ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings from Madrid!

We had talked about making a blog that would allow more people to post (and
possibly even post anonymously for stories about debt, etc). Is this
something folks are still interested in? Is there a platform other than
wordpress that folks would like to use?

take care,
Liz

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Tim Stallmann <tim.stallmann at gmail.com>wrote:

> also i think i can speak for 3cs and say that we'd be happy to host
> whatever content folks want on www.countercartographies.org..
>
> -tim
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tim Stallmann Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM
> >>> Recomposingunc mailing list
> >>> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
> >>> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
> >
> > Hopefully youse will find the mailman UI as pleasant to use as I do.
> (IMHO it beats Lyris like a drum.) Only downside of resist.ca's list I can
> see is, they didn't integrate search with their pipermail, which restricts
> archive search. (I'll ask about that, but for now, please resist the urge to
> threadjack--more on this separately.)
> >
> > Katie Akin Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:04:10 -0500
> >> Does this mean there is a space for a website, too?
> >
> > Apparently there could be: scroll to bottom of
> >
> > https://new.resist.ca/
> >
> > FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Recomposingunc mailing list
> > Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
> > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Recomposingunc mailing list
> Recomposingunc at lists.resist.ca
> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/recomposingunc
>
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From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Mon Nov 22 05:01:08 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:01:08 -0500
Subject: [recomposingUNC] website and/or blog
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1RjQzMsz3+t9H9Nq_J+O6rfE5D5FWPsyKeneZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin1RjQzMsz3+t9H9Nq_J+O6rfE5D5FWPsyKeneZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87fwut4inf.fsf@pobox.com>


Liz Mason-Deese Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:04:51 +0100
> a blog that would allow more people to post (and possibly even post
> anonymously for stories about debt, etc). Is this something folks are
> still interested in? Is there a platform other than wordpress that
> folks would like to use?

WP is fine, but keep in mind that anonymous posting will require some
anti-spam maintenance. WP's anonymous plugin has captcha, but there are
"real people" doing blog/wiki spam, not just bots.

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>