From blackspokes at riseup.net  Sun Jun 10 18:47:02 2012
From: blackspokes at riseup.net (blackspokes at riseup.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:47:02 -0500
Subject: [Planmort] =?iso-8859-1?q?=28sans_objet=29?=
Message-ID: <5a7a91fbc3b735dee98a2a7b257e5492.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net>

hey everyone,

Bill here, from the anti-colonial solidarity collective. it's really cool
that this list was created, and thanks to folks for putting in the work to
do it so quickly! unfortunately, i think the fact that it's on resist! is
a problem. the resist collective has caused a lot of controversy with
their support of Darren Thurston, a snitch who informed on many people as
part of the "Green Scare", including political prisoner Daniel McGowan,
who has spent the last 5 years in prison based on charges stemming from
informants, one of who being Darren Thurston. Daniel has made his own
position on the resist! collective perfectly clear:

"Recently, resist.ca has come out in support of Darren... It?s pathetic to
think a so-called radical tech collective would publicly support and
provide web-space (which they always say is so limited) to a snitch. In
light of this, I think now is the time to pull ALL support from resist.ca
including your email accounts and websites (such as Wii?nimkiikaa and
Orion from Alberta already have)... Do you really want your email and
website hosted on resist.ca after you have read this?"

read the full statement, as well as other information and a statement from
the resist! collective themselves here:
http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/broken-bridges-vancouver-activist-darren-thurston-turned-informant/6450

I'd like to suggest switching the list to another provider, such as
riseup.net, or else I think that by betraying an anti-capitalist political
prisoner we would be betraying our own anti-capitalist mandate.

I'd be happy to do the work to create the new list myself, though I don't
have the email addresses collected today.

sorry this is all in english! as far as i know, none of the information in
the link has ever been translated to french either. thanks everyone for
taking the time to read this!

-Bill



From philippesainthilairegravel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 13:04:52 2012
From: philippesainthilairegravel at gmail.com (Philippe Saint-Hilaire)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:04:52 -0400
Subject: [Planmort] (sans objet)
In-Reply-To: <5a7a91fbc3b735dee98a2a7b257e5492.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net>
References: <5a7a91fbc3b735dee98a2a7b257e5492.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net>
Message-ID: <CAKQmYgDo0Nk6taq5RhoAou582t-OEz0n7eechdmJ-6zTfdUhtA@mail.gmail.com>

that sound serious. Nous devrions en discuter bientôt avec les personnes
qui gèrent la liste et qui pnt des compétences en informatique pour voir ce
que l'on peut faire.

2012/6/10 <blackspokes at riseup.net>

> hey everyone,
>
> Bill here, from the anti-colonial solidarity collective. it's really cool
> that this list was created, and thanks to folks for putting in the work to
> do it so quickly! unfortunately, i think the fact that it's on resist! is
> a problem. the resist collective has caused a lot of controversy with
> their support of Darren Thurston, a snitch who informed on many people as
> part of the "Green Scare", including political prisoner Daniel McGowan,
> who has spent the last 5 years in prison based on charges stemming from
> informants, one of who being Darren Thurston. Daniel has made his own
> position on the resist! collective perfectly clear:
>
> "Recently, resist.ca has come out in support of Darren... It?s pathetic to
> think a so-called radical tech collective would publicly support and
> provide web-space (which they always say is so limited) to a snitch. In
> light of this, I think now is the time to pull ALL support from resist.ca
> including your email accounts and websites (such as Wii?nimkiikaa and
> Orion from Alberta already have)... Do you really want your email and
> website hosted on resist.ca after you have read this?"
>
> read the full statement, as well as other information and a statement from
> the resist! collective themselves here:
>
> http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/broken-bridges-vancouver-activist-darren-thurston-turned-informant/6450
>
> I'd like to suggest switching the list to another provider, such as
> riseup.net, or else I think that by betraying an anti-capitalist political
> prisoner we would be betraying our own anti-capitalist mandate.
>
> I'd be happy to do the work to create the new list myself, though I don't
> have the email addresses collected today.
>
> sorry this is all in english! as far as i know, none of the information in
> the link has ever been translated to french either. thanks everyone for
> taking the time to read this!
>
> -Bill
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Planmort mailing list
> Planmort at lists.resist.ca
> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/planmort
>
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From guillaume at resist.ca  Tue Jun 12 06:55:48 2012
From: guillaume at resist.ca (Guillaume)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:55:48 -0700
Subject: [Planmort] resist.ca
In-Reply-To: <5a7a91fbc3b735dee98a2a7b257e5492.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net>
References: <5a7a91fbc3b735dee98a2a7b257e5492.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net>
Message-ID: <4FD74A64.5020106@resist.ca>

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Cleave a la liste de noms si tu veux faire une autre liste.

Sinon, juste à titre de clarification, Resist.ca c'est un collectif
anticapitaliste dont je fais parti, et dont 2 personnes qui faisait le
support légal pour Darren faisait partie. Daniel McGowan en 2006-2007,
quand il a fait cette citation, défendait la ligne de l'ALF: "toute
forme de collaboration est dommageable à l'organisation". C'est une
position correcte pour un groupe illégal en lutte contre un état.
Resist est une organisation qui vise à faciliter l'organisation de
mouvement grassroot, si possible anticapitaliste. On se veut le plus
inclusif possible, et nous avons choisi de ne pas discriminer sur la
collaboration, mais sur la "collaboration dommageable". On donne des
services en sachant que les groupes vont se radicaliser, vont apprendre
de leur erreurs, etc. On a choisi de tolérer des choses un peu vedge, en
se disant que c'est mieux que des groupes vaguement politiques soit
hébérgés sur une plateforme qui ne collaborerait pas avec l'État que sur
hotmail.

On a supporté, à l'époque, Darren, parce qu'en dedans, il avait expliqué
au personnes qui venait le voir (2 membres de resist), qu'il avait parlé
mais sans incriminer aucune nouvelles personnes, et qu'il n'avait pas
aggraver le cas de personne. Il avait aussi dit qu'il ferait un
processus de médiation avec la communauté pour s'expliquer, et faire
lever les conditions de cours empêchant de divulguer l'entente avec le
FBI. En 2011, ayant du temps, et voyant qu'il ne tiendrait pas ses
engagements, et voyant qu'il n'était plus du tout intéressé par la
communauté anti-capitaliste, nous avons mit fin à ses services.

On a fait un statement après tout ca:
http://resist.ca/resist-collective-statement-darren-thurston

Anyways, c'est ben trop long. J'm'en câlice tant que y'a une liste.
J'essaie d'aider, pas d'imposer des services gratuits au monde. Mais
sérieux, c'est pas de trahir la cause anticapitaliste que de ne pas
écouter une citation de 2006, qui dit de boycotter une groupe
anticapitaliste qui se fend le cul en 4 pour faire fonctionner des
services techniques que y'a vraiment peu de monde qui peuvent faire.

G	




On 06/10/2012 06:47 PM, blackspokes at riseup.net wrote:
> hey everyone,
> 
> Bill here, from the anti-colonial solidarity collective. it's really cool
> that this list was created, and thanks to folks for putting in the work to
> do it so quickly! unfortunately, i think the fact that it's on resist! is
> a problem. the resist collective has caused a lot of controversy with
> their support of Darren Thurston, a snitch who informed on many people as
> part of the "Green Scare", including political prisoner Daniel McGowan,
> who has spent the last 5 years in prison based on charges stemming from
> informants, one of who being Darren Thurston. Daniel has made his own
> position on the resist! collective perfectly clear:
> 
> "Recently, resist.ca has come out in support of Darren... It?s pathetic to
> think a so-called radical tech collective would publicly support and
> provide web-space (which they always say is so limited) to a snitch. In
> light of this, I think now is the time to pull ALL support from resist.ca
> including your email accounts and websites (such as Wii?nimkiikaa and
> Orion from Alberta already have)... Do you really want your email and
> website hosted on resist.ca after you have read this?"
> 
> read the full statement, as well as other information and a statement from
> the resist! collective themselves here:
> http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/broken-bridges-vancouver-activist-darren-thurston-turned-informant/6450
> 
> I'd like to suggest switching the list to another provider, such as
> riseup.net, or else I think that by betraying an anti-capitalist political
> prisoner we would be betraying our own anti-capitalist mandate.
> 
> I'd be happy to do the work to create the new list myself, though I don't
> have the email addresses collected today.
> 
> sorry this is all in english! as far as i know, none of the information in
> the link has ever been translated to french either. thanks everyone for
> taking the time to read this!
> 
> -Bill
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Planmort mailing list
> Planmort at lists.resist.ca
> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/planmort

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From fchiggins at riseup.net  Tue Jun 12 08:04:21 2012
From: fchiggins at riseup.net (Cleve)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:04:21 -0400
Subject: [Planmort] resist.ca
In-Reply-To: <4FD74A64.5020106@resist.ca>
References: <5a7a91fbc3b735dee98a2a7b257e5492.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net>
	<4FD74A64.5020106@resist.ca>
Message-ID: <4FD75A75.9030407@riseup.net>

musiqueverte at hotmail.com
postindustriel at yahoo.ca
guillaume at resist.ca
philippesainthilairegravel at gmail.com
hubert_1981 at yahoo.com
srg435 at gmail.com
blackspokes at riseup.net
cdelislelheureux at gmail.com
cboucher at hippopotamus.ca
titepatate at yahoo.fr
swiss_marmotte at hotmail.com
fchiggins at riseup.net

These three addresses were not on the original list, but should be added:
eddy at riseup.net
pinsker at riseup.net
commune at riseup.net

I have also emailed Steve and Emily to confirm that they want to be
added to the list as well.

Cleve


On 12-06-12 09:55 AM, Guillaume wrote:
> Cleave a la liste de noms si tu veux faire une autre liste.
> 
> Sinon, juste à titre de clarification, Resist.ca c'est un collectif
> anticapitaliste dont je fais parti, et dont 2 personnes qui faisait le
> support légal pour Darren faisait partie. Daniel McGowan en 2006-2007,
> quand il a fait cette citation, défendait la ligne de l'ALF: "toute
> forme de collaboration est dommageable à l'organisation". C'est une
> position correcte pour un groupe illégal en lutte contre un état.
> Resist est une organisation qui vise à faciliter l'organisation de
> mouvement grassroot, si possible anticapitaliste. On se veut le plus
> inclusif possible, et nous avons choisi de ne pas discriminer sur la
> collaboration, mais sur la "collaboration dommageable". On donne des
> services en sachant que les groupes vont se radicaliser, vont apprendre
> de leur erreurs, etc. On a choisi de tolérer des choses un peu vedge, en
> se disant que c'est mieux que des groupes vaguement politiques soit
> hébérgés sur une plateforme qui ne collaborerait pas avec l'État que sur
> hotmail.
> 
> On a supporté, à l'époque, Darren, parce qu'en dedans, il avait expliqué
> au personnes qui venait le voir (2 membres de resist), qu'il avait parlé
> mais sans incriminer aucune nouvelles personnes, et qu'il n'avait pas
> aggraver le cas de personne. Il avait aussi dit qu'il ferait un
> processus de médiation avec la communauté pour s'expliquer, et faire
> lever les conditions de cours empêchant de divulguer l'entente avec le
> FBI. En 2011, ayant du temps, et voyant qu'il ne tiendrait pas ses
> engagements, et voyant qu'il n'était plus du tout intéressé par la
> communauté anti-capitaliste, nous avons mit fin à ses services.
> 
> On a fait un statement après tout ca:
> http://resist.ca/resist-collective-statement-darren-thurston
> 
> Anyways, c'est ben trop long. J'm'en câlice tant que y'a une liste.
> J'essaie d'aider, pas d'imposer des services gratuits au monde. Mais
> sérieux, c'est pas de trahir la cause anticapitaliste que de ne pas
> écouter une citation de 2006, qui dit de boycotter une groupe
> anticapitaliste qui se fend le cul en 4 pour faire fonctionner des
> services techniques que y'a vraiment peu de monde qui peuvent faire.
> 
> G	


From fchiggins at riseup.net  Tue Jun 12 22:55:59 2012
From: fchiggins at riseup.net (Cleve)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Planmort] =?iso-8859-1?q?=28sans_objet=29?=
Message-ID: <4FD82B6F.60305@riseup.net>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Carole Boucher <cboucher at hippopotamus.ca>
Date: 2012/6/12
Subject: Rencontre de jeudi 14 juin

Salut,

Nous étions supposés nous rencontrer ce jeudi à midi au QPIRG Concordia
pour discuter du suivi de la rencontre de dimanche. Malheureusement,
Michelle t moi n'avons pas pu rencontrer et discuter avec des membres de
longue date du RSA et qui sont toujours actifs. Alors si la rencontre de
jeudi tient toujours, cela sera pour nous (du RSA) encore à titre
d'exploration et nous ne pourrons pas prendre d'engagement ferme. La
question est:

Est-ce que nous maintenons la rencontre ou nous la reportons à plus tard
et quand?

Bonne soirée

Carole

PS CLEVE, if you want to send this message to the list Planmort. it's OK
for me, but I don't know how to do by myself