[mobglob-discuss] Re: JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT

[Macdonald Stainsby]

Arthur Topham has begun threatening me for calling him and his paper 
associated with racists. I stand by that, and I think the David Icke 
quotes and the Paul Fromm article are sufficient evidence. 

A couple of points: I apologised for my tone on emails with Rick vis a 
vis the thread on the list; I apologised not at all for doing what I 
could to expel the Radical from the Convergence Centre in Calgary. 

Jews do not drink the blood of gentiles and that is obviously a line we 
must draw. Abortion rights should be sacrosanct and so there too is a 
line. People who defend this paper keep saying, in different words, two 
basic points: one, the amount of good things in the paper outweigh the 
rabid anti-immigration, anti-semitic (and other), so ignore the stuff 
you don't like. I suggest that people do a bit of research into the 
orignial Nazi Party program of 1922. It had the contents of 
nationalisation of the banks, workers full employment and several 
public works projects. Within the context of today's politics, stripped 
of the anti-semitism and all of the militarism, it would appear social-
democratic as well. One cannot ignore the links to bizarre (and 
dangerous) political positions! Joseph Goebbels was once a self-
professed Marxist and revolutionary, and he joined the Nazis because 
they were called "The German National Socialist Workers Party". From 
there, they twisted his mind into the mind that twisted millions. So, 
one can see it matters when small bits of refuse crawl in. 

Second point to attempt to refute: I have never once said whether I 
think Arthur is a racist. I don't care! This is so besides the point it 
is utterly a waste of time to get into it. What matters are A) has the 
paper carried anti-woman, anti-semitic and anti-immigrant policy 
pieces; B) have all of these things been made clearly, as a show of 
faith to the rest of the progressive community in all the colours and 
genders therein, never to be seen as part of then paper or it's 
contents again? No. He defends it.

Topham has a massive article on the front page of his website extolling 
a recent speaking tour by David Icke. Whether Topham believes that Icke 
isn't really an anti-semite or is secretly trying to re-promote the 
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, I don't know and I don't care.

The fact is the paper has associated itself with many dodgy and 
dangerous characters. That's not anything other than a fact. I am not 
concerned with psycho-analysing anything at all about these people. All 
I want to do is demonstrate their politics and their dangerous 
political associations. If Topham wants to put the issue to rest, he 
can do so very easily. But that would mean making a break from David 
Icke et al. 

Here is Arthur and his psycho-analytical rant against myself, made 
public. I don't know how many times people have threatened to sue me. 
It's always quite the compliment.

Finally, all due respect to Leon Trotsky, I'm not a Trot.  

Macdonald



Radical Press <radical at radicalpress.com> said:

> Dear Macdonald,
> 
> RE: Current Smear Campaign Against Myself and my Newspaper, The 
Radical.
> 
> It appears that you are carrying on in a most ignoble manner 
regarding both
> the accusations you are making against myself and my newspaper The 
Radical.
> While I can appreciate your concerns about racism and maintaining the 
purity
> of "your" movement and the movement of Will Offley, I really must 
inform you
> that there are laws that exist in this country which limit what a 
person can
> and can't say about another citizen. They are known as libel and 
defamation.
> 
> As for your callous actions of late, especially the manner in which 
you
> treated me while I was in Calgary, I'm afraid I can't accept the 
excuse that
> you were merely having a "nic" fit. Your behaviour was deplorable and
> revealed to me a mind bordering on delusional fantasy and mental 
breakdown.
> Then, after returning home, I find that you also accosted my friend 
Rick
> McCallion and treated him to your assinine and childish outbursts as 
well.
> Then, to top it off, upon arrival home to your safe haven in 
Vancouver, you
> proceed to bad mouth him and I and my newspaper and accuse Rick of 
all sorts
> of vile deeds on the mobglob discussion list. And you call yourself a
> revolutionary? Someone to be trusted and listened to seriously? 
Someone to
> be constantly mouthing the words "we" and "our" with respect to the 
social
> justice movement in B.C. and Canada, as if you personally were 
somehow in
> control of what millions of people around the world are currently 
involved
> in?
> 
> One thing I can say about Will is that, apart from his bigotted and
> misguided principles, he at least is not as openly stupid and rabid 
as you
> are. Your frenzied fixation with David Icke is akin to a mentally-
deranged
> person. I will admit that with Paul Fromm you have a bit of a case to 
flout
> in your favour (even though you take the excerpts out of context from 
the
> article itself) although I have already explained my position 
regarding that
> issue on the vancouver-d list back in January of this year.
> 
> You are a fanatic Macdonald. Pure and simple. Although more simple in 
some
> respects. Your method of dealing with racism is no different that 
that of
> Gordon Watson when it comes to the pro-choice movement or the 
homophobic
> Christian Fundamentalists who bristle with hatred at the sight of 
gays,
> lesbians or transexuals, or the zenophobic rantings of the Canadian 
Alliance
> Party. All of your sort suffer from some type of messiah complex 
mixed in
> with a personal sense of self-worthlessness. Gordon's cross is 
abortion,
> yours racism. And, I would suspect that like Gordon you too would 
sanction
> the killing of anyone who expressed such views as you deem "racist",
> preferably by having the new State do it for you so as to prevent your
> conscience from bothering you too much at night.
> 
> I note in your recent tear-stained confession on the list that you 
are now
> trying to suck up to Rick and defend your deplorable behaviour. 
Again, a
> sign of weakness and confusion on your part. You can't seem to 
fathom, for
> all your internal tryings, that I may not be the spook and demon that 
you
> would like to believe and have the rest of the world believe. As 
well, your
> arguments are second hand and second rate and merely poor substitutes 
of old
> worn out, dogmatic Trotskyist platitudes that Will tried in his 
Canadian
> Dimensia article back two years ago. It really makes me wonder 
whether or
> not you have an active, creative and original mind of your own or 
whether
> you are just another Moonie-style, brainwashed Trot who follows the 
leader
> without question.
> 
> As for your strategy of smear it's as old as Lenin himself and one 
that the
> Trots have been employing  against anarchists for decades. But, what 
is
> different now Macdonald, is that I have the option of suing you for 
libel
> and slander and at the same time also exposing you and your deluded 
comrades
> for what you truly are: bigots and fanatics of the worse kind. So 
stand
> warned the next time that you start calling me names the likes of 
which are
> appearing on mobglob. That sort of defamation, based on hearsay and 
mere
> accusation and hatred, is more than suitable grounds for issuing you 
a writ
> of summons. It can happen. It has happened. It will happen again.
> 
> Arthur Topham
> Pub/Ed
> The Radical 
> 



-- 
Macdonald Stainsby,
External Relations Co-ordinator,
Douglas College Students Union.
**
In the contradiction lies the hope. --Bertholt Brecht.
***
"`Order rules in Berlin.' You stupid lackeys! Your 
`order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will rear 
ahead once more and announce to your horror amid the brass 
of trumpets: `I was, I am, I always will be!'" 

-Rosa Luxemburg, 1918.