[mobglob-discuss] Re: Towards freedom: The G8 and beyond (comments): Thanks

Thu Jul 11 09:06:24 PDT 2002

Martin and Shirley, thank you both for your thoughts on the g8 actions
across canada and questions about the future. I am very much in favour of
the whole idea of thriving communities of actualized, peaceful, co-operative
people... but discussion around a new political/social structure to replace
the current one always seem to ignore the nations and cultures that were
here before we came, whose people still walk among us. I am thinking about
the incredibly rich knowledge of peacefully living by the gifts of the land
demonstrated by these cultures for millennia. I don't think such stable and
harmonious cultures should simply be written off as past history, or that we
necessarily have the right to impose a new society upon them (should we ever
succeed in ending the occupation and domination of Turtle Island). For the
past three years I have been learning about the Squamish people through
participation in ceremonies, celebrations, and shared work. The more i learn
the more comfortable i am with the idea of facilitating the rejuvenation of
their culture. I presume most of us on this list are living in the Vancouver
area, probably on Squamish traditional territory. I recommend getting to
know our hosts. One way is through the UTS'AM Witness project taking place
three more times this summer in the Elaho Valley. Check it out at
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/recreation/roundhouse/witness/Index.ht
m

Sorry i don't have time to craft a better response to your excellent article
Martin or your valid questions Shirley. Come on up to the Elaho Valley this
weekend and we can sit and talk!

peace
rick

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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:40 PM
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Subject: [mobglob-discuss] Re: Towards freedom: The G8 and beyond
(comments): Thanks

Hi Shirley,

Thank you for your kind comments. The "vision", from an anarchist
perspective as I approached this piece, is that after a concerted effort to
bring the Matrix down, each individual will contribute their knowledge and
efforts, from whatever background they come from, to positively impact and
change our way of life as we know, whether its from a socialist perspective,
an environmental perspective, scientific, economical, and all the other
-ists and -als.

The point I was trying to make is that we all have within ourselves this
vision of a better world, a collection of positive ideals. When the machine
chokes on itself it will liberate this opportunity for people that were
dreaming of actualizing their personal vision; it will create a new empty
space, a blank slate to start over from and use the creativity within each
of us that has been bottled up for so long. And that is where
self-empowerment comes in; each to their own vision as long as it doesn't
harm others or the Earth. It cannot be defined for the whole because it
would impose an ideology, a structure, a confined construct with guidelines
and control, the very evil that we are fighting against.

But before that happens we need to communicate and learn cooperation and
trust, the very basis on which self-empowerment rests, values that are
coincidentally inherently natural in nature, yang values that you can teach
males who are willing to learn. Is that help you clarify what i meant by
saying that we cannot define a common vision. And that, the impossibility of
defining the "vision" other than that it will emcompass the wisdom from the
knowledge and disciplines that we personally know and our actualization of
it.

As an example, if you are good at nurturing humans, animals or plant life,
or at therapy, in the new paradigm you will feel empowered and will
actualize what you feel and know is beneficial to heal and instill a higher
understanding to less able individuals; you will fulfill your human
potential because you will trust in your knowledge and skills
(self-empowerment). and that is the vision, or anarchy in motion.

Thanks again
Martin

>From: Bella <bella_donna_36 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: mobglob-discuss at resist.ca
>To: mobglob-discuss at resist.ca
>Subject: [mobglob-discuss] Towards freedom: The G8 and beyond (comments)
>Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Martin, a very nice write, I must say ! I think another positive aspect of
>the Calgary events were that (because of the lack of violence which made
>the media touch on the real issues) the conservative public had an
>eye-opener. Without the self-satisfaction of being able to tsk-tsk violent
>"anarchists" (a mis-used word to begin with), they were left with nothing
>to discuss except the issues at hand, without being necessarily
>radicalized. This is progress. The average joe still in the blue-pill
>reality needs to be gently nudged into the red-pill world. Too much at
>once freaks people out and stuffs them back into the comfort-zone of
>complacence.
>
>Another point I'd like to make relates to the snip below. Your points are
>all valid, but what is the new vision? I havent seen much discussion on
>this point yet.  What is the vision we all have for after the profiteers
>mellow out and after the Earth begins to heal? Creativity and sponteneity
>are wonderful things, but they wont keep the world turning. Where is the
>balance between sustainable living, income resources for all, clean water
>and food in our bellies? How do we get there from here? Its all fine and
>dandy to vision a world where wealth is distributed fairly, every person
>has at least the basics in life, and governments aren't corrupt, but is
>our movement envisioning the details of how we'll pull this off once we
>topple the fortress? Food for thought, something we all should be thinking
>about. When the global governments and multi-national corporations wise up
>or get overthrown, it'll be up to us, the people, to take over. What is
>the plan? This is something I've discussed with several people, and nobody
>has an answer yet.
>
>Keep up the great work, Martin.
>Shirley (aka Bella)
>
><snip>
>There is no need to search for a new global ideology that will unite the
>movement when human life is based on a diversity of views and
>philosophies,
>but we can apply locally oriented and positive environmental, social and
>economic principles to empower ourselves as free individuals and regain
>our
>communities and then let creativity and spontaneity rule. But first we
>must
>act in concert locally to paralyze the profit-maximizing and greed-driven
>machine that is capitalism as we know it. This is our common purpose and
>vision; to experience self-empowerment anew in a new paradigm in which
>each
>of us knows and acts according to what she/he see as positive and
>fulfilling, and in harmony with the Earth of course.
>
>
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