[mobglob-discuss] vivisection and globalization

[Chris Shaw]

Hi David:
I respect your concerns about 'vivisection' in relation to global justice 
and the overall direction for those in the anti-globalization movement. I do 
work with animals in relation to studies of human neurological disease (not 
sure what studies you have found that you refer to; please clarify): living 
ones for behavioural tests; dead ones for histology. Just to be clear, we 
also do math/computer modeling and do tissue culture studies as well, so 
don't completely rely on living animals as models.

I assume from your comments that you must be vegan and don't use animal 
products of any kind, again a position I respect. I would also assume that 
you are aware of texts such as 'The Secret Life of Plants' which makes clear 
that plants also have a more sophisticated consciousness and repetoire of 
behaviour than most acknowledge.  In the end, in my opinion, unless we can 
learn to photosynthesize,we will have to continue to use animals/plants for 
food, etc. Given this, the key question is how we do so: as exploiters or 
with reverence. In my mind, the same holds true of whether we use animals as 
models of human disease.

I'd be happy to debate any or all of this with you personally. I suggest we 
do so 'off list' to spare those who may not be interested.

Regards,
Chris


>From: David <otter at tao.ca>
>Reply-To: mobglob-discuss at resist.ca
>To: mobglob-discuss at resist.ca
>Subject: Re: [mobglob-discuss] (en) Slingshot #75 Grow or Die: The Death of 
>the Earth by Capitalism - Squirrel (fwd)... (fwd)
>Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:49:30 -0400 (EDT)
>
>It's awesome that you equate calling someone a vivisector with "character
>assasination"! I agree with you, that vivisection is something to be
>looked on as extremely negative.
>
>You're right, I don't know from *first-hand* accounts that Chris is a
>vivisector, so I do deeply aplogize to Chris if this is not the case, but
>my understanding is that he is, and my comments are valid if so. Chris, do
>you experiment on live (or dead) animals?
>
>How is this issue not relevant to global justice? Are only homosapiens
>worthy of justice?
>
>David
>
>On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, David Cross wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David" <otter at tao.ca>
> > To: <mobglob-discuss at resist.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mobglob-discuss] (en) Slingshot #75 Grow or Die: The Death 
>of
> > the Earth by Capitalism - Squirrel (fwd)... (fwd)
> >
> > > So how does your vivisection activities (invasive research on live
> > > animals) figure into your concept of "conserve and protect"? As the
> > > article points out, "Within the realms of this definition (of 
>capitalism),
> > > nature became increasingly regarded as a mere resource, an object
> > > exploited and ruthlessly enslaved." This is the line we get from your
> > > colleagues in vivisection all the time, that animals are merely tools 
>for
> > > humans.
> >
> > Ok, what is ths shit?
> >
> > What you just said amounts to character assassination. More to the 
>point, how
> > do we even know this is Chris Shaw's line of research? Only your 
>statement.
> >
> > So I suggest you stick to the issues!
> >
> >
> >
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