[mobglob-discuss] Re: [pr-x] Question for Rick McCallion

Mon Dec 9 23:08:40 PST 2002

I have, at no time, called you a Nazi. But I was very serious about asking you
if you still support Arthur, because you did indeed state what I have asked you
to answer. I have provided many examples of where Arthur Topham has provided
hate filled material to the left public. If you think that that issue (I know
that one P 3 I think it was... had a big smiling David Icke picture) was
innocent because of Starhawk havcing her material unwittingly re-printed, you've
missed the point entirely.

Now, the question was too late in my post for you last time: If Arthur wants to
use you as a reference for his virtue, will it bother you?

It's not about me Rick, it's a question you never answered, and if you don't
want it to come up, tell your friend not to refer to your words with the same
pledge.

It's a simple thing, really. There are a group of far-rightists trying to burrow
their way into the radical left, and you first challenged for proof of these
matters. Then, you refine the category and dodge the issue.

You are right, the Radical went belly up and went broke. This is a *good thing*.

Now, I know you would like to forget about the history of these things, and that
this doesn't matter. We'll have to wait and see. Perhaps you made an unwitting
alliance with these shady characters. You can tell us that, we all make
mistakes. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Macdonald

----- Original Message -----
From: "rick" <rickm at sprint.ca>
To: <project-x at lists.resist.ca>; "Mobglob Discuss"
<mobglob-discuss at lists.resist.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: [pr-x] Question for Rick McCallion

> Well Mac, I did finally discover your two questions for me, buried in your
> typically deceptive and disingenuous rant. Obviously you intend (among other
> things) to link me with anti-semitism and misogyny, despite the
> impossibility of truthfully quoting me ever voicing such opinions or of
> truthfully relating actions of mine that may suggest i hold such opinions.
> Never let the truth get in your way though do you Mac?
> --------------
> 1) Mac: "Do you still give Arthur Topham permission to use you as a cover
> for his own work?
>
> Answer: Arthur never asked for, nor did i give him as you falsely imply,
> permission to use me as a cover for his own work. Your putting the question
> that way is just another of numerous examples of your slimy habit of making
> insinuations that aren't backed up by anything in the real world. You seek
> to establish some collusion between Arthur and I that doesn't exist.
> No one needs permission to quote anything i have said in a public forum,
> such as the quote you reference. Furthermore what i said was and remains
> 100%, bona fide, undeniable, truth. Why would i have a problem with him
> quoting it?
> (the quote: "You said you had never seen anything racist in the radical, and
> if you did you would reconsider your support for the paper")
> True then, true now.
> As is your habit you don't provide context for the quote. I also said in
> that same post months ago, "Prove otherwise about the issue I was
> distributing or retract your statement that you saw me "carrying such racist
> filth".
>
> Of course you couldn't offer proof for a lie, and you haven't yet had the
> fortitude and sense of honour to retract it. Better late than never though
> Mac! So i offer you another opportunity to remove some of the stain from
> Stainsby.
>
> --------------
> 2) Mac: "Will you distribute this in the future?"
>
> Answer: Distribute what? Of course you imply another half truth, trying to
> make it appear that i am some kind of distribution hub for the Radical,
> which you label as nazi racist filth, which would make me a distribution hub
> for nazi Racist filth -- in your twisted narrative. You achieve all this
> without ever offering validation for your charges, even when asked.
>
> The truth being that The Radical is out of publication, and that you well
> know this having broadcast new of it's demise.
> Further, I was never integral to it's distribution.
> On one occasion i did hand out a few copies of an issue which had a message
> from Starhawk that I support. It was a message she had for those of us on
> our way to oppose the G8 summit, as i recall. I can probably still get you a
> copy if you'd like.
>
> If you are talking in general about distributing hate-mongering, half-truths
> and fabrications, racism / bigotry / prejudice, cultural supremacy to
> rationalize cultural genocide, intolerance, and the whole reprehensible bag
> of tricks employed by small minded and fearful fascists, well YOU Mac are
> the only one i ever see writing and distributing such stuff on the lists i
> subscribe to.
>
> --------------
> There are of course more lies in the rest of your post. Can't be bothered
> with it. Suffice it to remind others of your habitually inaccurate writing
> and notoriously reckless and unfounded accusations.
>
> By the way, pointing out your sleazy deceptions Mac is in no way meant as a
> comment about Arthur, his paper, or how i feel about myself or anyone being
> associated with him (by you or in truth). It's about exposing sleaze, and
> it's about you Mac.
>
> If you really want to do something to elevate the calibre of discussion on
> these two lists and decrease offensive posts, there's an easy way completely
> within your control: unsubscribe yourself.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Rick McCallion
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-x-admin at lists.resist.ca
> [mailto:project-x-admin at lists.resist.ca]On Behalf Of Macdonald Stainsby
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:43 PM
> To: mobglob-discuss at lists.resist.ca; project-x at lists.resist.ca
> Subject: [pr-x] Question for Rick McCallion
>
>
> Hi Rick.
>
> I thought this might deserve to be left quietly. But now this is appearing,
> posted in the last couple of days. Arthur Topham, former publisher of the
> Radical, is now promoting Gordon Watson directly, Watson being a well known
> anti-woman terrorist. This same man spent time in the last few days on a
> Vancouver Anarchist discussion list promoting "revision" of the Nazi
> Holocaust
> (calling people jewish Holocaust groupies) In his campaigns, he has started
> quoting you again.
>
> I have a question for Rick McCallion: Arthur, formerly I thought he was a
> dupe.
> But the neo Nazi has been quoting you on a local listserve in Vancouver, all
> after telling people that the Nazi Holocaust killed "only 1.5 million" and
> then
> proceeded to ask a local anarchist if she was a "jewish? orhtodox? zionist?
> sympathiser?" after she objected to his bizarre re-writes of history.
>
> He, of course, went on an attack spree against me and also Will Offley,
> apparently it was either me or Will anytime that someone calls him on his
> anti
> semitism. When all of this was happening, none of the people on the list
> serve
> knew anything about me or Will Offley. I found out after it was brought to
> my
> attention that he was talking about me. He then quoted something you said on
> Mobglob. You said you had never seen anything racist in the radical, and if
> you
> did you would reconsider your support for the paper. Fair enough. Here, this
> isn't racist below, but Arthur is now publishing Gordon Watson (Watson did
> not
> post the article, Arthur did so for him), a known terrorist against the
> abortion
> providers in this city. It is a form of hate, and Watson is known as a
> promoter
> of violence against women. Do you still give Arthur Topham permission to use
> you
> as a cover for his own work? Will you distribute this in the future?
>
> Here's a link (where Watson calls himself a "reader of the Radical" at the
> outset) to this article.
>
> If anyone wants, they can see the archives of the discussion where Topham
> the
> "anarchist" newspaper editor makes his bizarre statements about the
> Holocaust
> (et al). Considering you have actively helped organise with Arthur, it is
> fair
> to ask you publically let us know where you stand on this issue...
>
> as you yourself stated you would.
> I know you are busy, so let me thank you ahead of time for taking out the
> time
> from your busy schedule. It's just that these kinds of questions really do
> deserve attention, as I'm sure you'll agree.
>
> article by Watson published by Arthur Topham:
> http://www.radicalpress.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=453
>
> bizarre anti-semitic rants by Arthur at this (Anarchist based)Vancouver
> email
> list:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vanarchy/
>
> Macdonald
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Macdonald Stainsby
> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/rad-green
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>                                      --Bertholt Brecht
>
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