[Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project

[Mandy Moussouris]

Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my Anarcho-communist soal :-)





 
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200
> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za
> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca
> Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project
> 
> And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I
> have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to
> be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all
> sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face
> multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly)
> of oppression and exploitation.
> 
> Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another
> city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem.
> Solidarity, never? *sigh*
> 
> Peter
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> > Thanks Peter,
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> > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally
> > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is
> > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy)
> > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the
> > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address
> > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out
> > there.
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> > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday
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> > Comradely
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> > Mandy
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> >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200
> >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za
> >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca
> >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project
> >>
> >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z
> >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z
> >> Communications
> >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas
> >> magazine
> >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics"
> >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas
> >> of
> >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out
> >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read:
> >>
> >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm
> >>
> >> Peter
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