From sleepingmantis at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 03:40:08 2009 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:40:08 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] mud stenciling In-Reply-To: <765663.3794.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <765663.3794.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <252ccda00907060340p24d7d0afr768ef699719f02a8@mail.gmail.com> Very cool. There's also a guy in the first world somewhere who does his stencils by strategically cleaning dirt off factory walls... the relevant graffiti laws don't apply to him as he is cleaning the walls, as opposed to vandalising them. I'll look for a link now... On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Spath wrote: > A cool, eco-friendly way to do graffiti that is probably not covered by the > new graffiti bylaws... > > http://www.justseeds.org/blog/2009/06/illinois_torture_publicized_wi.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megatrops at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 05:32:59 2009 From: megatrops at gmail.com (meghan judge) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:32:59 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] mud stenciling In-Reply-To: <252ccda00907060340p24d7d0afr768ef699719f02a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <765663.3794.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <252ccda00907060340p24d7d0afr768ef699719f02a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ah! very cool!! On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous < sleepingmantis at gmail.com> wrote: > Very cool. There's also a guy in the first world somewhere who does his > stencils by strategically cleaning dirt off factory walls... the relevant > graffiti laws don't apply to him as he is cleaning the walls, as opposed to > vandalising them. I'll look for a link now... > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Spath wrote: > >> A cool, eco-friendly way to do graffiti that is probably not covered by >> the new graffiti bylaws... >> >> http://www.justseeds.org/blog/2009/06/illinois_torture_publicized_wi.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Wed Jul 8 03:31:03 2009 From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:31:03 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] Next meeting Message-ID: <9c585b83013b60a8771d2a57163d58cc.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Hiya all... talking to Mandy yesterday I was reminded we need to move forward on our next meeting. How about Saturday the 18th or Sunday the 19th, at Mandy's house in Muizenberg? We need to discuss the "really free market" more and also what else we could be up to. Peter From andreas_spath at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 04:21:28 2009 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com (Andreas Spath) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia Message-ID: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me know - I should be able to organise some comps... Andreas Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town Beyond Elections, an empowering documentary about concrete examples of participatory democracy in action will be shown at the Labia on Orange cinema in Cape Town on Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm, on Monday 20 July at 8:30pm and on Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm. After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to politics as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to politics and democracy? Beyond Elections takes us on a journey across the Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. "Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than casting a ballot every four years." - Ben Dangl Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum trappings of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this is just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies in the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing to redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. Beyond Elections explores new and exciting experiences with local governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary citizens. The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman and Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the United States and more. Beyond Elections offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is frustrated with ?politics as usual?. The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. Tickets cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment. This event is presented by The Labia and While You Were Sleeping, a Cape Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental messages to South African audiences. ? Contacts: The Labia: 021 424 5927 ? While You Were Sleeping: Andreas Sp?th 084 772 1056 Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleepingmantis at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 08:31:53 2009 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:31:53 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Next meeting In-Reply-To: <9c585b83013b60a8771d2a57163d58cc.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> References: <9c585b83013b60a8771d2a57163d58cc.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Message-ID: <252ccda00907090831u5e17fdaat72244a3fef3a0e14@mail.gmail.com> I'm going to be in Johannesburg on the 18th and most probably the 19th as well. I would like to attend the meeting, but if it's scheduled for then, i'll just catch up with somebody afterwards... On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM, wrote: > Hiya all... talking to Mandy yesterday I was reminded we need to move > forward on our next meeting. How about Saturday the 18th or Sunday the > 19th, at Mandy's house in Muizenberg? We need to discuss the "really free > market" more and also what else we could be up to. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emmanence at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 01:48:14 2009 From: emmanence at gmail.com (Emma Harvey) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:48:14 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] next meeting? Message-ID: <4d27972e0907100148v403fd36vbd9476610a372058@mail.gmail.com> Hey, If people are going to go and watch the documentary at the Labia on Sunday evening, what about meeting before or after? Emma > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Next meeting (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:31:53 +0200 > From: Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Next meeting > To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > Cc: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Message-ID: > <252ccda00907090831u5e17fdaat72244a3fef3a0e14 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm going to be in Johannesburg on the 18th and most probably the 19th as > well. I would like to attend the meeting, but if it's scheduled for then, > i'll just catch up with somebody afterwards... > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM, wrote: > > > Hiya all... talking to Mandy yesterday I was reminded we need to move > > forward on our next meeting. How about Saturday the 18th or Sunday the > > 19th, at Mandy's house in Muizenberg? We need to discuss the "really free > > market" more and also what else we could be up to. > > > > Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Iyf-ct mailing list > > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/iyf-ct/attachments/20090709/2c2505f9/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > End of Iyf-ct Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4 > ************************************ > -- Bruce Mau: Our work is to solve problems, not merely to state the fact that there is a problem, or point the finger at who caused the problem, or throw stones at the people that benefit from the problem...The single most radical action we can take, the most critical and revolutionary, is to invent a new and better way to do things. A way that changes the world and proves the limits of the old way by demonstrating new means of thinking and being. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Fri Jul 10 02:50:36 2009 From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:50:36 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] next meeting? In-Reply-To: <4d27972e0907100148v403fd36vbd9476610a372058@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d27972e0907100148v403fd36vbd9476610a372058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f2cdc5156af0c4a55114ba60d06f7f7.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> I've got no problems with people meeting before / after doccie, but I won't be able to make it because of timing - evenings are not kiddie-friendly times. Peter > Hey, > > If people are going to go and watch the documentary at the Labia on Sunday > evening, what about meeting before or after? > > Emma > > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Next meeting (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:31:53 +0200 >> From: Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous >> Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Next meeting >> To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> Cc: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Message-ID: >> <252ccda00907090831u5e17fdaat72244a3fef3a0e14 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I'm going to be in Johannesburg on the 18th and most probably the 19th >> as >> well. I would like to attend the meeting, but if it's scheduled for >> then, >> i'll just catch up with somebody afterwards... >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM, wrote: >> >> > Hiya all... talking to Mandy yesterday I was reminded we need to move >> > forward on our next meeting. How about Saturday the 18th or Sunday the >> > 19th, at Mandy's house in Muizenberg? We need to discuss the "really >> free >> > market" more and also what else we could be up to. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Iyf-ct mailing list >> > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/iyf-ct/attachments/20090709/2c2505f9/attachment-0001.htm >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> >> >> End of Iyf-ct Digest, Vol 3, Issue 4 >> ************************************ >> > > > > -- > Bruce Mau: Our work is to solve problems, not merely to state the fact > that > there is a problem, or point the finger at who caused the problem, or > throw > stones at the people that benefit from the problem...The single most > radical > action we can take, the most critical and revolutionary, is to invent a > new > and better way to do things. A way that changes the world and proves the > limits of the old way by demonstrating new means of thinking and being. > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > From mandymoussouris at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 04:08:09 2009 From: mandymoussouris at hotmail.com (Mandy Moussouris) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:08:09 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Meeting In-Reply-To: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and have not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say Sunday the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just go ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me know - I should be able to organise some comps... Andreas Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town Beyond Elections, an empowering documentary about concrete examples of participatory democracy in action will be shown at the Labia on Orange cinema in Cape Town on Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm, on Monday 20 July at 8:30pm and on Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm. After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to politics as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to politics and democracy? Beyond Elections takes us on a journey across the Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. "Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than casting a ballot every four years." - Ben Dangl Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum trappings of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this is just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies in the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing to redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. Beyond Elections explores new and exciting experiences with local governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary citizens. The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman and Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the United States and more. Beyond Elections offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is frustrated with ?politics as usual?. The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. Tickets cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment. This event is presented by The Labia and While You Were Sleeping, a Cape Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental messages to South African audiences. Contacts: The Labia: 021 424 5927 While You Were Sleeping: Andreas Sp?th 084 772 1056 Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com _________________________________________________________________ More than messages?check out the rest of the Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleepingmantis at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 04:31:39 2009 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:31:39 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <252ccda00907130431qc4cc8e4h4441a936f9c00bd6@mail.gmail.com> I'm keen :) On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Mandy Moussouris < mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and have > not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say Sunday > the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If > there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just go > ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 > From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia > > Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of > Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me know - > I should be able to organise some comps... > > Andreas > > > *Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town* > > *Beyond Elections*, an *empowering documentary about concrete examples of > participatory democracy in action* will be shown at the Labia on Orange > cinema in Cape Town on *Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm*, on *Monday 20 July at > 8:30pm* and on *Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm*. > After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to politics > as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching > decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our > braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to politics > and democracy? *Beyond Elections** takes us on* a journey across the > Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. > > > *"**Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than > casting a ballot every four years." - *Ben Dangl > > > Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum trappings > of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this is > just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed > dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies in > the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the > North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing to > redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. > * > * > *Beyond Elections* explores new and exciting experiences with local > governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised > community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which > authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary > citizens. > > > The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman and > Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, > academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the > United States and more. > > > *Beyond Elections* offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is > frustrated with ?politics as usual?. > > > The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. *Tickets > cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. > Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment.* > > > This event is presented by The Labia and *While You Were Sleeping*, a Cape > Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, > non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental > messages to South African audiences. > > > > Contacts: > > The Labia: > > 021 424 5927 > > > > *While You Were Sleeping*: > > Andreas Sp?th > > 084 772 1056 > > Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com > > www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com > > > ------------------------------ > check out the rest of the Windows Live?. More than mail?Windows Live? goes > way beyond your inbox. More than messages > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Mon Jul 13 05:12:24 2009 From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:12:24 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] Meeting In-Reply-To: <252ccda00907130431qc4cc8e4h4441a936f9c00bd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <252ccda00907130431qc4cc8e4h4441a936f9c00bd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <353928d1cc7794d86337f69e521027b0.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> The 26th is my daughter's birthday, so that won't work for me. 25th perhaps? In the afternoon? > I'm keen :) > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Mandy Moussouris < > mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and >> have >> not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say >> Sunday >> the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If >> there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just >> go >> ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 >> From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia >> >> Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of >> Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me >> know - >> I should be able to organise some comps... >> >> Andreas >> >> >> *Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town* >> >> *Beyond Elections*, an *empowering documentary about concrete examples >> of >> participatory democracy in action* will be shown at the Labia on Orange >> cinema in Cape Town on *Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm*, on *Monday 20 July at >> 8:30pm* and on *Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm*. >> After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to >> politics >> as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching >> decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our >> braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to >> politics >> and democracy? *Beyond Elections** takes us on* a journey across the >> Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. >> >> >> *"**Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than >> casting a ballot every four years." - *Ben Dangl >> >> >> Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum >> trappings >> of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this >> is >> just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed >> dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies >> in >> the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the >> North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing >> to >> redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. >> * >> * >> *Beyond Elections* explores new and exciting experiences with local >> governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised >> community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which >> authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary >> citizens. >> >> >> The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman >> and >> Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, >> academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the >> United States and more. >> >> >> *Beyond Elections* offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is >> frustrated with ?politics as usual?. >> >> >> The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. >> *Tickets >> cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. >> Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment.* >> >> >> This event is presented by The Labia and *While You Were Sleeping*, a >> Cape >> Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, >> non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental >> messages to South African audiences. >> >> >> >> Contacts: >> >> The Labia: >> >> 021 424 5927 >> >> >> >> *While You Were Sleeping*: >> >> Andreas Sp?th >> >> 084 772 1056 >> >> Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com >> >> www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> check out the rest of the Windows Live?. More than mail?Windows Live? >> goes >> way beyond your inbox. More than >> messages >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > From sleepingmantis at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 05:25:28 2009 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:25:28 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Meeting In-Reply-To: <353928d1cc7794d86337f69e521027b0.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> References: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <252ccda00907130431qc4cc8e4h4441a936f9c00bd6@mail.gmail.com> <353928d1cc7794d86337f69e521027b0.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Message-ID: <252ccda00907130525y1aa2f466qad079748fc529bb7@mail.gmail.com> I'm good with that too, although i can only be in Muizenburg by around 1:30PM. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM, wrote: > The 26th is my daughter's birthday, so that won't work for me. 25th > perhaps? In the afternoon? > > > I'm keen :) > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Mandy Moussouris < > > mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and > >> have > >> not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say > >> Sunday > >> the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If > >> there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just > >> go > >> ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 > >> From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com > >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia > >> > >> Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of > >> Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me > >> know - > >> I should be able to organise some comps... > >> > >> Andreas > >> > >> > >> *Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town* > >> > >> *Beyond Elections*, an *empowering documentary about concrete examples > >> of > >> participatory democracy in action* will be shown at the Labia on Orange > >> cinema in Cape Town on *Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm*, on *Monday 20 July at > >> 8:30pm* and on *Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm*. > >> After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to > >> politics > >> as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching > >> decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our > >> braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to > >> politics > >> and democracy? *Beyond Elections** takes us on* a journey across the > >> Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. > >> > >> > >> *"**Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than > >> casting a ballot every four years." - *Ben Dangl > >> > >> > >> Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum > >> trappings > >> of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this > >> is > >> just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed > >> dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies > >> in > >> the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the > >> North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing > >> to > >> redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. > >> * > >> * > >> *Beyond Elections* explores new and exciting experiences with local > >> governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised > >> community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which > >> authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary > >> citizens. > >> > >> > >> The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman > >> and > >> Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, > >> academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the > >> United States and more. > >> > >> > >> *Beyond Elections* offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is > >> frustrated with ?politics as usual?. > >> > >> > >> The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. > >> *Tickets > >> cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. > >> Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment.* > >> > >> > >> This event is presented by The Labia and *While You Were Sleeping*, a > >> Cape > >> Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, > >> non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental > >> messages to South African audiences. > >> > >> > >> > >> Contacts: > >> > >> The Labia: > >> > >> 021 424 5927 > >> > >> > >> > >> *While You Were Sleeping*: > >> > >> Andreas Sp?th > >> > >> 084 772 1056 > >> > >> Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com > >> > >> www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> check out the rest of the Windows Live?. 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In the afternoon? > I'm keen :) > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Mandy Moussouris < > mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and >> have >> not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say >> Sunday >> the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If >> there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just >> go >> ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 >> From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia >> >> Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of >> Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me >> know - >> I should be able to organise some comps... >> >> Andreas >> >> >> *Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town* >> >> *Beyond Elections*, an *empowering documentary about concrete examples >> of >> participatory democracy in action* will be shown at the Labia on Orange >> cinema in Cape Town on *Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm*, on *Monday 20 July at >> 8:30pm* and on *Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm*. >> After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to >> politics >> as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching >> decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our >> braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to >> politics >> and democracy? *Beyond Elections** takes us on* a journey across the >> Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. >> >> >> *"**Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than >> casting a ballot every four years." - *Ben Dangl >> >> >> Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum >> trappings >> of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this >> is >> just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed >> dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies >> in >> the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the >> North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing >> to >> redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. >> * >> * >> *Beyond Elections* explores new and exciting experiences with local >> governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised >> community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which >> authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary >> citizens. >> >> >> The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman >> and >> Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, >> academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the >> United States and more. >> >> >> *Beyond Elections* offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is >> frustrated with ?politics as usual?. >> >> >> The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. >> *Tickets >> cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. >> Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment.* >> >> >> This event is presented by The Labia and *While You Were Sleeping*, a >> Cape >> Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, >> non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental >> messages to South African audiences. >> >> >> >> Contacts: >> >> The Labia: >> >> 021 424 5927 >> >> >> >> *While You Were Sleeping*: >> >> Andreas Sp?th >> >> 084 772 1056 >> >> Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com >> >> www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> check out the rest of the Windows Live?. 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URL: From glen at glt.co.za Tue Jul 14 11:12:18 2009 From: glen at glt.co.za (Glen Thompson) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:12:18 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><252ccda00907130431qc4cc8e4h4441a936f9c00bd6@mail.gmail.com><353928d1cc7794d86337f69e521027b0.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> <252ccda00907130525y1aa2f466qad079748fc529bb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Sat works for me. Many, please send through your address Cheers Glen _____ From: iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto:iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca] On Behalf Of Mandy Moussouris Sent: 13 July 2009 04:48 PM To: James; pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Cc: In your face Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Meeting Okay, so the 25th at 13h30 at my place. Barring any further issues See you all there! _____ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:25:28 +0200 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za CC: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Meeting I'm good with that too, although i can only be in Muizenburg by around 1:30PM. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM, wrote: The 26th is my daughter's birthday, so that won't work for me. 25th perhaps? In the afternoon? > I'm keen :) > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Mandy Moussouris < > mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and >> have >> not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say >> Sunday >> the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If >> there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just >> go >> ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 >> From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia >> >> Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of >> Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me >> know - >> I should be able to organise some comps... >> >> Andreas >> >> >> *Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town* >> >> *Beyond Elections*, an *empowering documentary about concrete examples >> of >> participatory democracy in action* will be shown at the Labia on Orange >> cinema in Cape Town on *Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm*, on *Monday 20 July at >> 8:30pm* and on *Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm*. >> After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to >> politics >> as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching >> decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our >> braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to >> politics >> and democracy? *Beyond Elections** takes us on* a journey across the >> Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. >> >> >> *"**Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than >> casting a ballot every four years." - *Ben Dangl >> >> >> Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum >> trappings >> of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this >> is >> just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed >> dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies >> in >> the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the >> North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing >> to >> redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. >> * >> * >> *Beyond Elections* explores new and exciting experiences with local >> governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised >> community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which >> authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary >> citizens. >> >> >> The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman >> and >> Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, >> academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the >> United States and more. >> >> >> *Beyond Elections* offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is >> frustrated with ?politics as usual?. >> >> >> The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. >> *Tickets >> cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. >> Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment.* >> >> >> This event is presented by The Labia and *While You Were Sleeping*, a >> Cape >> Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, >> non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental >> messages to South African audiences. >> >> >> >> Contacts: >> >> The Labia: >> >> 021 424 5927 >> >> >> >> *While You Were Sleeping*: >> >> Andreas Sp?th >> >> 084 772 1056 >> >> Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com >> >> www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> check out the rest of the Windows Live?. 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Cheers Glen _____ From: iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto:iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca] On Behalf Of Andreas Spath Sent: 14 July 2009 08:23 PM To: In Your Face Subject: [Iyf-ct] meeting Hey Glen if you come to our house at about 12:45 we can drive to Mandy's together. James, need a lift? Andreas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleepingmantis at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 04:04:32 2009 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:04:32 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] meeting In-Reply-To: <6CC8BC92115B4A52BBED4CF8F18A3C1B@Travelmate> References: <87746.716.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6CC8BC92115B4A52BBED4CF8F18A3C1B@Travelmate> Message-ID: <252ccda00907150404n21084206i6dfe173d6d14e661@mail.gmail.com> I won't say no to that. What time should I be at yours? I have a band prac in Kenilworth which i can probably leave at around 12:30/45 to get to yours at about 13:00? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Glen Thompson wrote: > Perfect, thanks Andreas. Will do. > > Cheers > > Glen > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto: > iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca] *On Behalf Of *Andreas Spath > *Sent:* 14 July 2009 08:23 PM > *To:* In Your Face > *Subject:* [Iyf-ct] meeting > > > > Hey Glen if you come to our house at about 12:45 we can drive to Mandy's > together. > > James, need a lift? > > Andreas > > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megatrops at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 04:48:09 2009 From: megatrops at gmail.com (meghan judge) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:48:09 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <896142.42338.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <252ccda00907130431qc4cc8e4h4441a936f9c00bd6@mail.gmail.com> <353928d1cc7794d86337f69e521027b0.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> <252ccda00907130525y1aa2f466qad079748fc529bb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi sorry i'v been quiet - just got back to the living(real)(other) world now. I'd love to come to the docci, so I'll see whoever comes there and then next sat is good for me too. see you'all then M On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Glen Thompson wrote: > Hi All, > > Sat works for me. > > Many, please send through your address > > Cheers > > Glen > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca [mailto: > iyf-ct-bounces at lists.resist.ca] *On Behalf Of *Mandy Moussouris > *Sent:* 13 July 2009 04:48 PM > *To:* James; pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > *Cc:* In your face > > *Subject:* Re: [Iyf-ct] Meeting > > > > Okay, so the 25th at 13h30 at my place. Barring any further issues See you > all there! > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:25:28 +0200 > From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com > To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > CC: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Meeting > > I'm good with that too, although i can only be in Muizenburg by around > 1:30PM. > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM, wrote: > > The 26th is my daughter's birthday, so that won't work for me. 25th > perhaps? In the afternoon? > > > > I'm keen :) > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Mandy Moussouris < > > mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, sorry I have been so quiet, been on leave for a week and > >> have > >> not checked mails. We realy need to set a date. So I suggest we Say > >> Sunday > >> the 26th at 11h00 at my place to try to make sure everyone is there. If > >> there are any serious problems, let us know, otherwise I think we just > >> go > >> ahead otherwise we will never get it together. :-) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0700 > >> From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com > >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Beyond Elections at the Labia > >> > >> Here are the details about the While You Were Sleeping screening of > >> Beyond Elections. If anyone can't afford the R20 ticket price, let me > >> know - > >> I should be able to organise some comps... > >> > >> Andreas > >> > >> > >> *Documentary about participatory democracy to be shown in Cape Town* > >> > >> *Beyond Elections*, an *empowering documentary about concrete examples > >> of > >> participatory democracy in action* will be shown at the Labia on Orange > >> cinema in Cape Town on *Sunday 19 July at 6.15pm*, on *Monday 20 July at > >> 8:30pm* and on *Tuesday 21 July at 8:30pm*. > >> After all the hype surrounding this year?s elections it?s back to > >> politics > >> as usual in South Africa. Politicians pontificate and make far reaching > >> decisions while the rest of us are left moaning and complaining over our > >> braai fires and shebeen tables. But is that really all there is to > >> politics > >> and democracy? *Beyond Elections** takes us on* a journey across the > >> Americas in an attempt to answer this important question. > >> > >> > >> *"**Beyond Elections proves that democracy can and should be more than > >> casting a ballot every four years." - *Ben Dangl > >> > >> > >> Some 120 countries around the world now have at least the minimum > >> trappings > >> of democracy - the freedom to vote for all citizens. But for many, this > >> is > >> just the beginning not the end. Following decades of US-backed > >> dictatorships, civil wars and devastating structural adjustment policies > >> in > >> the South, and corporate control, electoral corruption and fraud in the > >> North, representative politics is in crisis. Citizens are now choosing > >> to > >> redefine democracy on their own terms: local, direct, and participatory. > >> * > >> * > >> *Beyond Elections* explores new and exciting experiences with local > >> governance, participatory budgeting and decision making, self-organised > >> community assemblies, cooperative workplaces and other methods in which > >> authority and power are being shifted from ruling elites to ordinary > >> citizens. > >> > >> > >> The film features engaging interviews with Eduardo Galeano, Amy Goodman > >> and > >> Ward Churchill, as well as community members, elected representatives, > >> academics, and activists from Brazil, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina, the > >> United States and more. > >> > >> > >> *Beyond Elections* offers hope and inspiration to everyone who is > >> frustrated with ?politics as usual?. > >> > >> > >> The screenings will be followed by a facilitated audience discussion. > >> *Tickets > >> cost R20 and can be reserved by calling The Labia at (021) 424 5927. > >> Reserving tickets is strongly recommended to avoid disappointment.* > >> > >> > >> This event is presented by The Labia and *While You Were Sleeping*, a > >> Cape > >> Town-based non-profit film collective committed to bringing progressive, > >> non-mainstream documentaries with important social and environmental > >> messages to South African audiences. > >> > >> > >> > >> Contacts: > >> > >> The Labia: > >> > >> 021 424 5927 > >> > >> > >> > >> *While You Were Sleeping*: > >> > >> Andreas Sp?th > >> > >> 084 772 1056 > >> > >> Andreas_Spath at yahoo.com > >> > >> www.whileyouweresleeping.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> check out the rest of the Windows Live?. More than mail?Windows Live? > >> goes > >> way beyond your inbox. More than > > >> messages > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Iyf-ct mailing list > >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Iyf-ct mailing list > > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > ------------------------------ > > See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm Peter From mandymoussouris at hotmail.com Mon Jul 20 23:45:51 2009 From: mandymoussouris at hotmail.com (Mandy Moussouris) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:45:51 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project In-Reply-To: <7fb137b5fc7db53fb572f32e28c01076.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> References: <7fb137b5fc7db53fb572f32e28c01076.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Message-ID: Thanks Peter, Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) according to their contribution not need. This goes against the traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out there. Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday Comradely Mandy > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > > I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z > Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z Communications > is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas magazine > / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" > fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas of > alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out > there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: > > http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Albert generally > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > there. > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > Comradely > > Mandy > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z >> Communications >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas >> magazine >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas >> of >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: >> >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm >> >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx From mandymoussouris at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 01:18:05 2009 From: mandymoussouris at hotmail.com (Mandy Moussouris) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:18:05 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project In-Reply-To: References: <7fb137b5fc7db53fb572f32e28c01076.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Message-ID: Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my Anarcho-communist soal :-) > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > > And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I > have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to > be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all > sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face > multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) > of oppression and exploitation. > > Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another > city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. > Solidarity, never? *sigh* > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Peter, > > > > > > > > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally > > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > > there. > > > > > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > > > > > Comradely > > > > Mandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 > >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > >> > >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z > >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z > >> Communications > >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas > >> magazine > >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" > >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas > >> of > >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out > >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: > >> > >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Iyf-ct mailing list > >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: RE: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project From: "Mandy Moussouris" Date: Tue, July 21, 2009 10:18 am To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za "In your face" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my Anarcho-communist soal :-) > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > > And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I > have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to > be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all > sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face > multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) > of oppression and exploitation. > > Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another > city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. > Solidarity, never? *sigh* > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Peter, > > > > > > > > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally > > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > > there. > > > > > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > > > > > Comradely > > > > Mandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 > >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > >> > >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z > >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z > >> Communications > >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas > >> magazine > >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" > >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas > >> of > >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out > >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: > >> > >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Iyf-ct mailing list > >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caragh at zenbe.com Tue Jul 21 02:50:34 2009 From: caragh at zenbe.com (caragh iles) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:50:34 +0000 Subject: [Iyf-ct] Iyf-ct Digest, Vol 3, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4a658f6adebb6_7e2b3fc73ceed6ec17524@app01.zenbe.com.tmail> I think Mike makes it quite clear how you will be rewarded- according to effort and sacrifice. As efficiency is important as well , goods and services will not be provided unless the society wants them, which is the best kind of servicing of needs I have yet to come across. And in response to the care work problem, effort and sacrifice means that a care worker will be paid better then a doctor. At the same time, because of the equity, diversity and self-management values, the effort and sacrifice inspired compensation should go hand in hand with what we call balanced job complexes. Also by changing the value systems in a community the mother shouldnt have to do all the work that she does now and the community will play a larger role. I think what people tend to forget about parecon is that it is a holistic shift and much of what it demands, by being so equity based, is very difficult to even picture in todays society as it demands a complete change. Logistics-The Z Com website was updated yesterday and if you click on the side links the essays should work.I know some peoples ones are not linking properly but if you go to their page then you should be able to see them. Hope that helps Aluta Continua On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:40 AM iyf-ct-request at lists.resist.ca wrote: Send Iyf-ct mailing list submissions to iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to iyf-ct-request at lists.resist.ca You can reach the person managing the list at iyf-ct-owner at lists.resist.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Iyf-ct digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project (Mandy Moussouris) 2. Re: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) 3. Re: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project (Mandy Moussouris) 4. [Fwd: RE: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project] (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:45:51 +0200 From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project To: , In your face Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Peter, Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) according to their contribution not need. This goes against the traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out there. Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday Comradely Mandy > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > > I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z > Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z Communications > is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas magazine > / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" > fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas of > alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out > there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: > > http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/iyf-ct/attachments/20090721/4887003c/attachment-0001.htm > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 (SAST) From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) of oppression and exploitation. Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. Solidarity, never? *sigh* Peter > > > > > Thanks Peter, > > > > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > there. > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > Comradely > > Mandy > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z >> Communications >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas >> magazine >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas >> of >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: >> >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm >> >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:18:05 +0200 From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project To: , In your face Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my Anarcho-communist soal :-) > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > > And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I > have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to > be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all > sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face > multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) > of oppression and exploitation. > > Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another > city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. > Solidarity, never? *sigh* > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Peter, > > > > > > > > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally > > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > > there. > > > > > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > > > > > Comradely > > > > Mandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 > >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > >> > >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z > >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z > >> Communications > >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas > >> magazine > >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" > >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas > >> of > >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out > >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: > >> > >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Iyf-ct mailing list > >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: RE: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project From: "Mandy Moussouris" Date: Tue, July 21, 2009 10:18 am To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za "In your face" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my Anarcho-communist soal :-) > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > > And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I > have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to > be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all > sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face > multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) > of oppression and exploitation. > > Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another > city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. > Solidarity, never? *sigh* > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Peter, > > > > > > > > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally > > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > > there. > > > > > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > > > > > Comradely > > > > Mandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 > >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > >> > >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z > >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z > >> Communications > >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas > >> magazine > >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" > >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas > >> of > >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out > >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: > >> > >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Iyf-ct mailing list > >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to note that that site I posted the link to has a wide diversity of views. Hopefully the links work today. The reason I posted the link in the first place, however, is not to discuss this or that "future society" so much as to point to how people are, in some kind of focussed way, talking about "what next"? That's kinda important to me, personally, since I feel pretty damned jaded. Hehe. I've been in a variety of organisations over the last 20 years, fought in a variety of struggles, always trying to increase the space where, to use Marx's phrase, 'the complete emancipation of human qualities and senses' ... 'not only the five senses but also the so-called spiritual senses of desiring and loving' can happen. That's still what I see when I look up to the horizon, just the road there seems hazy... Peter > I think Mike makes it quite clear how you will be rewarded- according to > effort and sacrifice. As efficiency is important as well , goods and > services will not be provided unless the society wants them, which is the > best kind of servicing of needs I have yet to come across. > And in response to the care work problem, effort and sacrifice means that > a care worker will be paid better then a doctor. At the same time, because > of the equity, diversity and self-management values, the effort and > sacrifice inspired compensation should go hand in hand with what we call > balanced job complexes. Also by changing the value systems in a community > the mother shouldnt have to do all the work that she does now and the > community will play a larger role. I think what people tend to forget > about parecon is that it is a holistic shift and much of what it demands, > by being so equity based, is very difficult to even picture in todays > society as it demands a complete change. > > Logistics-The Z Com website was updated yesterday and if you click on the > side links the essays should work.I know some peoples ones are not linking > properly but if you go to their page then you should be able to see them. > > Hope that helps > > Aluta Continua > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:40 AM iyf-ct-request at lists.resist.ca wrote: > > > Send Iyf-ct mailing list submissions to > iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > iyf-ct-request at lists.resist.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > iyf-ct-owner at lists.resist.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Iyf-ct digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > (Mandy Moussouris) > 2. Re: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) > 3. Re: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > (Mandy Moussouris) > 4. [Fwd: RE: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project] > (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:45:51 +0200 > From: Mandy Moussouris > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > To: , In your face > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Thanks Peter, > > > > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert generally > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals is > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately address > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out > there. > > > > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday > > > > Comradely > > Mandy > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z >> Communications >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas >> magazine >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas >> of >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: >> >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm >> >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/iyf-ct/attachments/20090721/4887003c/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 (SAST) > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem I > have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting to > be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's all > sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face > multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) > of oppression and exploitation. > > Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another > city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. > Solidarity, never? *sigh* > > Peter > >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Peter, >> >> >> >> Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert >> generally >> has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his proposals >> is >> that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) >> according to their contribution not need. This goes against the >> traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately >> address >> the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that out >> there. >> >> >> >> Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday >> >> >> >> Comradely >> >> Mandy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 >>> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >>> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >>> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >>> >>> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at Z >>> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z >>> Communications >>> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas >>> magazine >>> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation Economics" >>> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their ideas >>> of >>> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out >>> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: >>> >>> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Iyf-ct mailing list >>> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >>> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:18:05 +0200 > From: Mandy Moussouris > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > To: , In your face > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you > calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort > in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who > has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the > washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some > useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my > Anarcho-communist soal :-) > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem >> I >> have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting >> to >> be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's >> all >> sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face >> multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) >> of oppression and exploitation. >> >> Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another >> city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. >> Solidarity, never? *sigh* >> >> Peter >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Peter, >> > >> > >> > >> > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert >> generally >> > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his >> proposals is >> > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) >> > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the >> > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately >> address >> > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that >> out >> > there. >> > >> > >> > >> > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday >> > >> > >> > >> > Comradely >> > >> > Mandy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 >> >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> >> >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at >> Z >> >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z >> >> Communications >> >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas >> >> magazine >> >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation >> Economics" >> >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their >> ideas >> >> of >> >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out >> >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: >> >> >> >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/iyf-ct/attachments/20090721/456ae6f2/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:40:27 +0200 (SAST) > From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > Subject: [Iyf-ct] [Fwd: RE: Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" > project] > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Message-ID: <825a265a524b3477990f35d7ca82069f.squirrel at wfeet.za.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This darn mailing list mades the default for replies the person who sent > the message, in other words, not the mailing list. So I think Andreas > might have sent a message I didn't see, and Mandy sent this message to me, > not to the whole list, so I'm forwarding it. Anyway, I just changed the > default - just remember, if you want your emails to go to the whole list, > check that they say iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca on the top. > > Peter > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: RE: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project > From: "Mandy Moussouris" > Date: Tue, July 21, 2009 10:18 am > To: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za > "In your face" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Andreas, you are right, it is about effort and Peter's point about how you > calculte effort. Best example of the problem is how you calculate effort > in terms of care work - so how do you calculte the effort of a mother who > has to leave her child and go to work and then come home and do the > washing cooking etc. I agree that there are a lot of interesting and some > useful ideas in Paragon but this issue just does not sit well with my > Anarcho-communist soal :-) > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:06 +0200 >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> And how to calculate contribution? My problem with Albert is the problem >> I >> have with all "utopian socialism" - its a schema on paper just waiting >> to >> be implemented. I've been reading through essays, though, and there's >> all >> sorts of different ideas out there, reflecting the fact that we face >> multiple sources (mechanisms, levels, not sure what to call 'em exactly) >> of oppression and exploitation. >> >> Having said that, I just discovered this morning that someone in another >> city who I barely know has decided that I'm politically a problem. >> Solidarity, never? *sigh* >> >> Peter >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Peter, >> > >> > >> > >> > Looks interesting, but I couldn't open any of the esays. Albert >> generally >> > has interesting ideas but the biggest problem I have with his > proposals is >> > that he argues that people should be rewarded (in teh new economy) >> > according to their contribution not need. This goes against the >> > traditional Anarchist position and to my mind would not ultimately > address >> > the fundamental inequalities in society - just thought I'd put that >> out >> > there. >> > >> > >> > >> > Looking ofrward to seeing everyone on Saturday >> > >> > >> > >> > Comradely >> > >> > Mandy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:49:07 +0200 >> >> From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za >> >> To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> >> Subject: [Iyf-ct] Z Communications' "Reimagining Society" project >> >> >> >> I'm leery of 'intellectual heavy' projects, but I was just looking at >> Z >> >> Communications "Reimagining Society" webpage. Basically, Z >> >> Communications >> >> is the WWW presence of Z Magazine, which itself is a "left" ideas >> >> magazine >> >> / project co-ordinated by Michael Albert (of "Participation >> Economics" >> >> fame). So Z has approached 350 people across the globe for their >> ideas >> >> of >> >> alternatives. Its a mixed bag of stuff - there are so many ideas out >> >> there, its hard to keep it all straight - but feel free to go read: >> >> >> >> http://www.zmag.org/zparecon/reimaginingsociety.htm >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Iyf-ct mailing list >> Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.microsoft.com/southafrica/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/iyf-ct/attachments/20090721/dfb91db5/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > End of Iyf-ct Digest, Vol 3, Issue 11 > ************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > From andreas_spath at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 04:25:20 2009 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com (Andreas Spath) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Iyf-ct] The Really Really Free Market Message-ID: <824232.89215.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi folks I've put together and attached a thingy about the Really Really Free Market. Since we're going to discus and plan our own on Sat, I though it might be useful to have some info from others who've done it already. I've basically cut and pasted all of it together from various websites. I'll try to print out a copy for those who can't open the document. Andreas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: The Really Really Free Market.doc Type: application/msword Size: 1250304 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Fri Jul 24 03:00:58 2009 From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:00:58 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] The Really Really Free Market In-Reply-To: <824232.89215.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <824232.89215.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22073e133c53e6e7a3873c0d3c5c693e.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Hi Andreas Thanks for this. Sorry for the delay in it getting through - it got stuck in the mailing list software because the attachment is big. Peter > Hi folks > > I've put together and attached a thingy about the Really Really Free > Market. Since we're going to discus and plan our own on Sat, I though it > might be useful to have some info from others who've done it already. I've > basically cut and pasted all of it together from various websites. > I'll try to print out a copy for those who can't open the document. > > Andreas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > From andreas_spath at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 23:45:23 2009 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com (Andreas Spath) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Iyf-ct] yes men fix the world challenge Message-ID: <461500.79988.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Yes Men Fix The World Challenge looks like fun: http://challenge.theyesmen.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: The Really Really Free Market (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:00:58 +0200 (SAST) From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] The Really Really Free Market To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Message-ID: <22073e133c53e6e7a3873c0d3c5c693e.squirrel at wfeet.za.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Andreas Thanks for this. Sorry for the delay in it getting through - it got stuck in the mailing list software because the attachment is big. Peter > Hi folks > > I've put together and attached a thingy about the Really Really Free > Market. Since we're going to discus and plan our own on Sat, I though it > might be useful to have some info from others who've done it already. I've > basically cut and pasted all of it together from various websites. > I'll try to print out a copy for those who can't open the document. > > Andreas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Iyf-ct mailing list Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct End of Iyf-ct Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: