From megatrops at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 06:09:42 2009 From: megatrops at gmail.com (meghan judge) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree Message-ID: hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about it up on the wall. any thoughts on that? meg -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mandymoussouris at hotmail.com Mon Dec 7 22:25:06 2009 From: mandymoussouris at hotmail.com (Mandy Moussouris) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:06 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 From: megatrops at gmail.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about it up on the wall. any thoughts on that? meg -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvh at webbedfeet.co.za Mon Dec 7 22:55:51 2009 From: pvh at webbedfeet.co.za (pvh at webbedfeet.co.za) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:55:51 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48391fc1f184b7411dca4e1ae990a5e8.squirrel@wfeet.za.net> Correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the communitree was a paid market? As i recall, weren't they ve people who organised the event in palmer road where even kids stuff cost money? I think its really import to keep the distinction between the rrfm and any kind of capitalist market. Property, even the property peddled by small capitalists, is theft. Every commodity transaction hides the violence that underlies "value" in capitalist society. That's why even the idea of people putting stickers on things (as has been proposed on fb) makes me edgy. In fact, i had rather a problem with edie when she came back from the rrfm: everything she got she jealously regarded as hers and only hers. Thus the items had resumed their status as private property, something the stickers would also seem to imply. So, the rrfm is meant to undermine the logic of property / commodity, to provide a space with a different ethic. Its already hard to do so when people enter the space on an unequal basis, but mixing in any way with a commodity market (so if you come along with no money, you may have this, not that) would be a disaster. Provocatively, i'd suggest that communitree be invited to abolish themselves! Their existence is simply a testament to the misery of life (and the holding hostage of creativity) under capitalism. Peter p.s. Sorry for the lack of structure, writing this from my phone while at a work conf in jozi > > On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is > that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie > thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too > judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with > the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we > need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it > become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night > that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, > some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also > think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political > statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also > said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 > From: megatrops at gmail.com > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > > hi guys > > claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg > village asked this: > > > Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... > I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree > Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a > section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then > we can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about > it up on the wall. > > > any thoughts on that? > > > meg > -- > easy now > mega > ** > (+27)72 503 7994 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop_______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > From andreas_spath at yahoo.com Mon Dec 7 23:04:38 2009 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com (Andreas Spath) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <113734.4553.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE shirts? Can't find mine! Dreas --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris wrote: From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: "In your face" Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is that the?whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too judgemental is very middle class?with limited?to no real connection with the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play,?some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or?other?t's with political statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks ? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 From: megatrops at gmail.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about it up on the wall. any thoughts on that? meg -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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This may not necessarily be a very bad thing as it was bound to happen and shows that we have managed to create a space, we just need to make sure that we do not loose control of the ideological contestation of that space - learining in struggle I guess. Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE shirts? Can't find mine! Dreas --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris wrote: From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: "In your face" Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 From: megatrops at gmail.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about it up on the wall. any thoughts on that? meg -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Iyf-ct mailing list Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From megatrops at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 12:04:06 2009 From: megatrops at gmail.com (meghan judge) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:04:06 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: References: <113734.4553.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yo I agree fullheartedly. I think we could not and should not merge too much with things esp if they are making money for a small group of artists in the name of creativity. it's a bit irritating to say the least...but never the less i wont be so hostile as to tell them to abolish themselves - peter you can do that, i'll just hide behind a tree with a video camera and cackle over the footage later ;) mznbrg is a tricky area because almost everyone there seems to be that way inclined, more info is a grea idea. we suggested bringing out some sort of standard pamphlet with all the info on it. maybe this should be a bit of a zene? i also feel a little edgy with the swap n grab thing going on, but i think people will get the hang of it. esp with some guidance as to what it is we are trying to achieve here. we will see how this one turnes out, but a step away from everyone just bringing stuff to give away would be good. i think everyone enjoyed the market, but did become a little vulturesk towards the end, and feeling like they scored big time as opposed to shared a day with their community etc. again it is something that should be created by the people as well, and these things take time to form, not all of them have the same books in their houses as some of us do., so the idea would be to get information to them to take home and figure out for themselves...? fuck. i owe someone money for my nope shirt. so sorry...thats horrible! i'll bring it on sunday...shit... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mandy Moussouris < mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, left the T's with Peter I think. But I also think its going > to take more than T-shirts. I will see if I can think of a banner or > something. I will also do areading from Kropotkin or someting similar... > still thinking ...but really need to do something a bit bigger. This may not > necessarily be a very bad thing as it was bound to happen and shows that we > have managed to create a space, we just need to make sure that we do not > loose control of the ideological contestation of that space - learining in > struggle I guess. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 > From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com > > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > > I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content > into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, > the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people > who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE > shirts? Can't find mine! > > Dreas > > > > --- On *Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris *wrote: > > > From: Mandy Moussouris > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > To: "In your face" > Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM > > On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is > that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie > thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too > judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with the > broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to > start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or > beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I > should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, some > kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we > should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political statements... > Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl > spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 > From: megatrops at gmail.com > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > > hi guys > > claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg > village asked this: > > > Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... > I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree > Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a > section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we > can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about it > up on the wall. > > > any thoughts on that? > > > meg > > -- > easy now > mega > ** > (+27)72 503 7994 > > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > > > ------------------------------ > Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. > > _______________________________________________ > Iyf-ct mailing list > Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct > > -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andreas_spath at yahoo.com Tue Dec 8 12:16:59 2009 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com (Andreas Spath) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:16:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <602485.9335.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Perhaps then we should all sit down together for a while on Sunday and chat about what we could do. I like the idea of a zine Meghan. A --- On Tue, 12/8/09, meghan judge wrote: From: meghan judge Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:04 PM Yo I agree fullheartedly. I think we could not and should not merge too much with things esp if they are making money for a small group of artists in the name of creativity. it's a bit irritating to say the least...but never the less i wont be so hostile as to tell them to abolish themselves - peter you can do that, i'll just hide behind a tree with a video camera and cackle over the footage later ;)? mznbrg is a tricky area because almost everyone there seems to be that way inclined, more info is a grea idea. we suggested bringing out some sort of standard pamphlet with all the info on it. maybe this should be a bit of a zene?? i also feel a little edgy with the swap n grab thing going on, but i think people will get the hang of it. esp with some guidance as to what it is we are trying to achieve here. we will see how this one turnes out, but a step away from everyone just bringing stuff to give away would be good. i think everyone enjoyed the market, but did become a little vulturesk towards the end, and feeling like they scored big time as opposed to shared a day with their community etc.? again it is something that should be created by the people as well, and these things take time to form, not all of them have the same books in their houses as some of us do., so the idea would be to get information to them to take home and figure out for themselves...? fuck. i owe someone money for my nope shirt. so sorry...thats horrible!i'll bring it on sunday...shit... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mandy Moussouris wrote: Hi everyone, left the T's?with Peter I think. But I also think its going to?take more than T-shirts. I will see if I can think of a banner or something.?I will also do areading from Kropotkin or someting similar... still thinking ...but really need to do something a bit bigger. This may not necessarily be a very bad thing as it was bound to happen and shows that we have managed to create a space, we just need to make sure that we do not loose control of the ideological contestation of that space - learining in struggle I guess.? ? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE shirts? Can't find mine! Dreas --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris wrote: From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: "In your face" Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is that the?whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too judgemental is very middle class?with limited?to no real connection with the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play,?some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or?other?t's with political statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks ? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 From: megatrops at gmail.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. 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URL: From mandymoussouris at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 22:59:25 2009 From: mandymoussouris at hotmail.com (Mandy Moussouris) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:59:25 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: <602485.9335.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <602485.9335.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Then we can screen Megs video of Peter telling the bourgeois artists off at the labia Lets chat on Sunday, we are all on teh same page just need to find ways to deal with it. Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:16:59 -0800 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree Hey Perhaps then we should all sit down together for a while on Sunday and chat about what we could do. I like the idea of a zine Meghan. A --- On Tue, 12/8/09, meghan judge wrote: From: meghan judge Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:04 PM Yo I agree fullheartedly. I think we could not and should not merge too much with things esp if they are making money for a small group of artists in the name of creativity. it's a bit irritating to say the least...but never the less i wont be so hostile as to tell them to abolish themselves - peter you can do that, i'll just hide behind a tree with a video camera and cackle over the footage later ;) mznbrg is a tricky area because almost everyone there seems to be that way inclined, more info is a grea idea. we suggested bringing out some sort of standard pamphlet with all the info on it. maybe this should be a bit of a zene? i also feel a little edgy with the swap n grab thing going on, but i think people will get the hang of it. esp with some guidance as to what it is we are trying to achieve here. we will see how this one turnes out, but a step away from everyone just bringing stuff to give away would be good. i think everyone enjoyed the market, but did become a little vulturesk towards the end, and feeling like they scored big time as opposed to shared a day with their community etc. again it is something that should be created by the people as well, and these things take time to form, not all of them have the same books in their houses as some of us do., so the idea would be to get information to them to take home and figure out for themselves...? fuck. i owe someone money for my nope shirt. so sorry...thats horrible! i'll bring it on sunday...shit... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mandy Moussouris wrote: Hi everyone, left the T's with Peter I think. But I also think its going to take more than T-shirts. I will see if I can think of a banner or something. I will also do areading from Kropotkin or someting similar... still thinking ...but really need to do something a bit bigger. This may not necessarily be a very bad thing as it was bound to happen and shows that we have managed to create a space, we just need to make sure that we do not loose control of the ideological contestation of that space - learining in struggle I guess. Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE shirts? Can't find mine! Dreas --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris wrote: From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: "In your face" Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 From: megatrops at gmail.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. 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A --- On Tue, 12/8/09, meghan judge wrote: From: meghan judge Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:04 PM Yo I agree fullheartedly. I think we could not and should not merge too much with things esp if they are making money for a small group of artists in the name of creativity. it's a bit irritating to say the least...but never the less i wont be so hostile as to tell them to abolish themselves - peter you can do that, i'll just hide behind a tree with a video camera and cackle over the footage later ;) mznbrg is a tricky area because almost everyone there seems to be that way inclined, more info is a grea idea. we suggested bringing out some sort of standard pamphlet with all the info on it. maybe this should be a bit of a zene? i also feel a little edgy with the swap n grab thing going on, but i think people will get the hang of it. esp with some guidance as to what it is we are trying to achieve here. we will see how this one turnes out, but a step away from everyone just bringing stuff to give away would be good. i think everyone enjoyed the market, but did become a little vulturesk towards the end, and feeling like they scored big time as opposed to shared a day with their community etc. again it is something that should be created by the people as well, and these things take time to form, not all of them have the same books in their houses as some of us do., so the idea would be to get information to them to take home and figure out for themselves...? fuck. i owe someone money for my nope shirt. so sorry...thats horrible! i'll bring it on sunday...shit... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mandy Moussouris wrote: Hi everyone, left the T's with Peter I think. But I also think its going to take more than T-shirts. I will see if I can think of a banner or something. I will also do areading from Kropotkin or someting similar... still thinking ...but really need to do something a bit bigger. This may not necessarily be a very bad thing as it was bound to happen and shows that we have managed to create a space, we just need to make sure that we do not loose control of the ideological contestation of that space - learining in struggle I guess. Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE shirts? Can't find mine! Dreas --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris wrote: From: Mandy Moussouris Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree To: "In your face" Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with the broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, some kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political statements... Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 From: megatrops at gmail.com To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree hi guys claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg village asked this: Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we can donate everything that is left over. You could have some info about it up on the wall. any thoughts on that? meg -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Iyf-ct mailing list Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. _______________________________________________ Iyf-ct mailing list Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct -- easy now mega ** (+27)72 503 7994 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Iyf-ct mailing list Iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iyf-ct _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleepingmantis at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 03:31:08 2009 From: sleepingmantis at gmail.com (Jack Hiphopdontstopalopoulous) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:31:08 +0200 Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree In-Reply-To: References: <602485.9335.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <252ccda00912090331x613505c1t45a255b5fe761a68@mail.gmail.com> I think some kind of pamphlet/zine thing could be good for getting certain points across, but I also think that if there was more going on at the market, as in 'activities' as well as free stuff, things might not have turned the way they did. I'm thinking people would get more involved with the market and engage themselves with the ideas involved if there were things they could get involved in, with other people, on top of browsing the aisles. The sewing section at the market was cool in that respect, and the soccer game and kids treasure hunt are good ideas as well... i dunno - obviously one would hope that it develops on its own as more people get involved and get creative within the space. So are we having a meeting on Sunday? I might have missed that along the thread somewhere... On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Mandy Moussouris < mandymoussouris at hotmail.com> wrote: > Oh... and can anyone think of a cool slogan for a banner, I am in the > midle of writing crappy funders reports and am brain dead at the moment, > only thing I can think of is > R.I.P Capitalism > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:16:59 -0800 > > From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > > Hey > > Perhaps then we should all sit down together for a while on Sunday and chat > about what we could do. I like the idea of a zine Meghan. > > A > > --- On *Tue, 12/8/09, meghan judge * wrote: > > > From: meghan judge > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:04 PM > > Yo > > I agree fullheartedly. I think we could not and should not merge too much > with things esp if they are making money for a small group of artists in the > name of creativity. it's a bit irritating to say the least...but never the > less i wont be so hostile as to tell them to abolish themselves - peter you > can do that, i'll just hide behind a tree with a video camera and cackle > over the footage later ;) > > mznbrg is a tricky area because almost everyone there seems to be that way > inclined, more info is a grea idea. we suggested bringing out some sort of > standard pamphlet with all the info on it. maybe this should be a bit of a > zene? > > i also feel a little edgy with the swap n grab thing going on, but i think > people will get the hang of it. esp with some guidance as to what it is we > are trying to achieve here. we will see how this one turnes out, but a step > away from everyone just bringing stuff to give away would be good. i think > everyone enjoyed the market, but did become a little vulturesk towards the > end, and feeling like they scored big time as opposed to shared a day with > their community etc. > > again it is something that should be created by the people as well, and > these things take time to form, not all of them have the same books in their > houses as some of us do., so the idea would be to get information to them to > take home and figure out for themselves...? > > fuck. i owe someone money for my nope shirt. so sorry...thats horrible! > i'll bring it on sunday...shit... > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mandy Moussouris < > mandymoussouris at hotmail.com > > wrote: > > Hi everyone, left the T's with Peter I think. But I also think its going > to take more than T-shirts. I will see if I can think of a banner or > something. I will also do areading from Kropotkin or someting similar... > still thinking ...but really need to do something a bit bigger. This may not > necessarily be a very bad thing as it was bound to happen and shows that we > have managed to create a space, we just need to make sure that we do not > loose control of the ideological contestation of that space - learining in > struggle I guess. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:04:38 -0800 > From: andreas_spath at yahoo.com > > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > > I agree with Mandy - we should think of ways to inject political content > into the thing. I think it's fine for it to be as popular as we can make it, > the more the merrier, but we should come up with ways to conscientise people > who come to the RRFM. Like the T-shirt idea. Mandy, do you still have NOPE > shirts? Can't find mine! > > Dreas > > > > --- On *Tue, 12/8/09, Mandy Moussouris > >* wrote: > > > From: Mandy Moussouris > > > Subject: Re: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > To: "In your face" > > > Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:25 AM > > On one level it's brilliant and I like it a lot, but my biggest concern is > that the whole thing is being absorbed in to the whole Muizenberg Hippie > thing - which is really cool but has no politics and without sounding too > judgemental is very middle class with limited to no real connection with the > broader working class. Whilst our flyer is a good flyer, I think we need to > start bringing the politics in otherwise we face the danger of it become or > beeing seen as a charity like thing... I was thinking last night that I > should find some stuff to read but what else can we do - role play, some > kind of education exercise... What does everyone else think? I also think we > should all wear our NOPE t-shirts or other t's with political statements... > Oh hell, clutching at straws here... My yoga teacher also said she woudl > spread teh message through Commmunitree etc. networks > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:09:42 +0200 > From: megatrops at gmail.com > To: iyf-ct at lists.resist.ca > Subject: [Iyf-ct] really really free market - communitree > > hi guys > > claire homeward of the communitree events that take place in muiznbrg > village asked this: > > > Loved the free market - will def be at the next one.... > I wonder if you would like to make the free market part of the Communitree > Heart space week happening from 14th - 19th Dec? Maybe there could be a > section of the space that runs as a free market the whole week? And then we > can donate everything that is left over. 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