[IPSM] Once a Black robe, Always a Black Robe

Fri Mar 7 12:43:45 PST 2008

Although I laud your attempts to try to reconcile the issue with Kevin A., I
do feel that you are truly unaware of the damage that Kevin has done. As I
mentioned earlier, Kevin does need to admit to his transgressions, which are
very real. If he is not prepared to admit that he has done nothing wrong
then we are really just debating how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

So, show us that you are a mediator and get Kevin to confess and then we
have a place from where we can move forward, otherwise, we all remain in
hell.

Thanks.

Doug B

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Douglas Jack <douglas.jack at mail.mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> Hi Macdonald,
>
> Your accusations are still serious.  I don't base my understandings on
> accusations from one side, but only upon the interplay of both sides.
>  When
> I hear constant denunciations over years and yet no offer to meet your
> perceived opponent or to provide a 'fair' hearing process (of any sort)
> and
> only calls for "marginalisation", then I assume that something is
> seriously
> wrong with the accuser.  I lived in BC for eleven years (69 - 80) and
> decided to come back to family roots in the east.  If you read my email,
> you
> will note that I've been involved for 40 years as well that I don't
> propose
> a process that I will 'mediate' but that you and Kevin can mediate
> yourselves.  Considering the level of your vitriole, I suggest finding
> someone neutral and responsible to manage the taping of a record so that
> it
> is available for all concerned.
>
> If we are going to sling mud at each other then at least we can plant a
> garden in the process,
>
> Douglas Jack, eco-montreal at mcgill.ca
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Macdonald Stainsby"
> <mstainsby at resist.ca>To: <ipsm-l at lists.resist.ca>Cc:
> <info at dbandassociates.ca>; <dbain at telus.net>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008
> 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [IPSM] Once a Black robe, Always a Black Robe
> >
> > Dialog with someone who tries to get people killed is not possible,
> > spending time ignoring the wishes of the people (I'm from BC where this
> > garbage spewing saviour man began stealing testimonies) who have
> suffered
> > the real abuses of the Res schools in favour of "dialog" is the ultimate
> > insult; talking to this kind of scam artist who believes that indigenous
> > deaths are the ticket to personal fame is more than the simplest of
> > perpetuation of the very same attitude, and doing anything other than
> > working hard to marginalize and expose his abuses of the very real
> people
> > he has ripped off before calling about a dozen good people various forms
> > of police agents is a dereliction of duty for any settler who wishes to
> > understand the issue beyond signing a fucking petition.
> >
> > The testimonies in the film he put together were never given permission
> to
> > be used. He uses them anyway, because he is a self-promoting useless
> > modern day Indian Agent.
> >
> > Consider this my rejection of your offer to "mediate". If you actually
> > want to know the truth about this man, I challenge you to come WEst
> where
> > we can meet the various people he has screwed over. But don't tape the
> > conversations with these people and expect to get rich and notorious off
> > the discussions. That shit has been done already.
> >
> > Macdonald
> >
> > Douglas Jack wrote:
> >> Hi Macdonald Stainsby, Douglas Brown and others,
> >>
> >> I have received this email from first Macdonald and then from Douglas
> > Brown.
> >>
> >> As you are aware, there are many divisions among people and as many
> > perspectives on trying to get a grip on what has happened in the past,
> > how to support each other with livelihood for the present and how to
> > manifest sustainable 'indigenous' (derived from the Latin meaning,
> > 'self-generating') communities.  We are all originally indigenous
> > peoples from around the world.  Our task is to find our way back to this
> > long truth that is the sustenance of human kind.
> >>
> >> I have proposed to Macdonald before and I propose it again here, "if
> you
> > have complaints against anyone, then use the tradition of the circle of
> > the people and open debate debate withing this circle.  I have offered a
> > venue to Kevin Annett of Both Sides Now, Equal Time Recorded Dialogue,
> > under which a time period (eg 90 minutes) is chozen, stop watches are
> > given to Kevin and to Macdonald, each having 45 minutes to speak freely
> > their concerns recorded on an audio machine perhaps with video and a
> > record made, perhaps transcribed and then circulated to those who might
> > be interested in this issue and the differences or similarities
> > presented.  The time limit can vary according to Macdonald and Kevin's
> > agreement.  If Macdonald would like to be represented by one of those he
> > purports to be speaking for then this is welcome Kevin has agreed to
> > dialogue, but Macdonald has not responded to this offer or made an offer
> > of his own for another method of dialogue."
> >>
> >> Given the serious nature of Macdonald's complaint against Kevin, I have
> > yet to hear him offer a method of giving fair hearing to the issues
> > raised.  Given Douglas Brown's reassertion of this complaint, I assume
> > that he will play as well a role in making sure that such an open fair
> > dialogue happens.   If Macdonald (or others) continues to make damaging
> > complaints without offering his perceived opponent a fair dialogue, then
> > one must conclude that Macdonald is not interested in the indigenous way
> > and the justice it offers and demands for all.  If anyone else has a
> > method of conflict resolution (responsabilization) that they would would
> > like to put forth for this or other issues, then it is most welcome.
> >>
> >> If we are going to sling mud at each other then at least we can plant a
> > garden in the process,
> >>
> >> Douglas Jack, eco-montreal at mcgill.ca 514-364-0599, LaSalle-Montreal,
> > Project Coordinator for the Sustainable Development Corporation.
> >>
> >>   ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Brown To: Macdonald
> Stainsby
> >>   Cc: indigenousyouth at lists.resist.ca ; Radical anti-capitalist
> > environmental discussion. ; fgn at friendsofgrassynarrows.com ;
> > Redbadbear at yahoogroups.com ; dbain at telus.net ; ipsm-l at lists.resist.ca
> >>   Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:02 AM  Subject: Re: [IPSM] Once a
> > Black robe, Always a Black Robe
> >>
> >>
> >>   Just for your interest, you might want to send your comments directly
> > to the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival
> > (NYIIFVF)
> > http://www.nyfilmvideo.com/2007/ny-july/awards/ny-july-2007-awards.htm
> >>
> >>   and to the film's director:
> >>   Louie Lawless: ph: 250-733-2414 email: louie0 at telus. net
> >>
> >>   All the best,
> >>
> >>   DB
> >>
> >>
> >>   On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Macdonald Stainsby
> > <mstainsby at resist.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>     The St'at'imc Runner, February 2008 issue
> >
> >
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