[IPSM] Re: holy racist backlash website

Sat Apr 29 08:38:59 PDT 2006

here's what I found...

joe

http://citizensofcaledonia.ca/terrorist.htm

Being Held Hostage By Terrorists
Source of Information:
-Merriam - Webster's Dictionary
- American Heritage Dictionary of English Language

3 Entries Found for Terrorism

1) The Unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or
and organized group against people or property with the intention of
intimidating or coercing societies or governments.  Often for ideological
or political reasons

2) Violent and Intimidating gang activity.

3) The calculated use of Violence (or threat of violence) against
civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or
ideological in nature: this is done through intimidation or coercion or
instilling fear.

What is our Government waiting for?  We the citizens of Caledonia are
being held in every definitions by Terrorists.  The Mohawk and Six Nations
have declared War (CHCH, CTV, GLOBAL, CITY News teams all have Documented
News Reels and footage that have been played on air stating such on April
20/06 -Mohawk on Trailer waving Flag).  We as lawful, peaceful and
taxpaying residence would like to know when the terrorist will be removed?

Please draw your own conclusions....

comments

http://citizensofcaledonia.ca/comments_recieved.htm

  I lived near the Dudley George incident. The protestors are using an
illegal act to try and resolve a dispute from 200 years ago. I have 1
question...... If I decide I need more land, should I go to my ancestral
home, (my grandparents came from the Ukraine during the war) and fight
for my lost land???? I would be immediately shot or imprisoned. This
country's laws are a joke! The land was given up/lost/bought.... who
cares.... a LONG time ago.... these people have no claim. It was lost. I
have sat by quietly as these people say they are peacefully protesting
while waving 2x4's in people's faces. The same thing happened at
Ipperwash while my neighbors had to endure a lot of strife that the OPP
was too stupid or chicken to defend.... I ask one question... If our
neighbors decided to defend the park from the 'occupiers', who would go
to jail? Dudley George was shot while threatening the peace of Canada.
Too bad.
Get with it and defend CANADA.... not a subculture...
I am not a racist! I believe everyone is equal... as long as we ALL play
by the same rules of this land TODAY! No group should have the ability to
override another, which is what is happening with the natives in Caledonia
right now.

Stand up for the rights of the Canadian people!
Thank you,
London, Ontario

............

well it is just a comment on something I saw on the news. It was some lady
with curly hair talking with one of the native occupants. It was what the
lady said- we are losing money and have to work to get it, well along
those lines. Then what got me was what the occupant asked, or said-where
do we get money every month duh? how do we get it, we're losing too. He
then walked away after getting really rude. Well if it matters or not, the
native
population gets money each month commonly called "distribution" which is a
portion of a lump sum of money that the natives "distribute" to all of the
members from their particular reserve. So to answer the native
occupant-yes they do get money handed out each and every month for having
Native North American status. Unlike the people who are being kept from
living their lives and get nothing, who are native to this place also,
just with Native Canadian status only. Well its just what I thought of
when I saw that scene on the 6pm news about this whole deal.

............

Yes, there is a distribution fund put into the bands hands on a monthly
basis for distribution to the individuals.

But as well, the Six Nations people do not pay a lot of taxes for goods
and services and probably even more that I don't know of. So, yes there is
a very inequitable situation in place and it kind of raises the question
of when is enough--enough. It has to be stopped by the government and it
has to stopped immediately before permanent harm is done that will be
irrevocable.

Ontario can't have another Ipperwash!!!!

..........

1. They want to be respected, yet they put up road blocks, burn stolen
tires (Since corrected-Tires were donated) and destroy our bridges

2. They wear bandana's on their face. We already know what they are.

3. They want to be treated "equally", yet they still don't pay tax, they
don't obey any laws and they get PAID to go to school.

4. They say they own the land, but they really sold it years ago and then
when the REAL owner was starting construction they finally said they want
it back.......that's where we got the term Indian giver'.

5. If they win the protest, whenever they need anything they will just
protest again because they won the last one.

6. I know they don't care about kids education, but if they keep canceling
school because of their actions other peoples education will suffer.

7. They want to honour their "sacred land", yet they don't hesitate to
burn multiple parts of it with fire.

8. They say they want to be "peaceful", yet again they steal things, start
fires, and call out "WE WANT WAR"

9. They hate us for "stealing" their land but when they need something
(i.e.- fast food, beer or cigarettes) they'll come past the barrier and
get it no problem.

10. They try to intimidate non-native students at school by hurting them,
yelling at them, and graffiti the walls with phrases like "NATIVE PRIDE"
and drawing the warrior flag on the walls.

Skeeter

.........
I attended both rallies Monday night. The fairgrounds to hear what was
being said. It was interesting to hear the comments of those who do not
live in the immediate area. ATV's up and down the northern perimeter of
the land in question. Children cannot play in their backyards. Cannot go
to school for two days and when they do, there are OPP cruisers on the
property. How does one explain that to a six year old?
I attended the second "mob scene" out of frustration for what is not being
done by ANY elected official. It was interesting to note that the OPP were
facing us and not the natives who have already broken the law (and getting
away with it). How do you explain the concept of law and justice when this
is going on.
I do not consider myself a racist. I am a Canadian and as such, I have the
right to defend my property ( providing, of course, that I don't disrupt
the status quo). I am fed up with being complacent and waiting for what? I
agree that cooler minds must prevail but when are they going to do
something?
All levels of government have proven to us that we don't amount to much.
After all, Caledonia only provides about 10,000 votes.
DO not go quietly into this abyss....stand up for what you believe in.
Stand up for Canada.
Stand up for Caledonia.
Stand up for your rights as a tax paying (ALL taxes) Canadian.
Grandmother in Caledonia

......
Congratulations to you and all the citizens of Caledonia for standing up
for your rights. It's about time that Canadians stop being pushed around
by minority groups using militant, illegal tactics. If the millions of
law-abiding, tax paying citizens start to push back maybe the government
would do their job.
I live in Burlington, and believe me, there are lots of people that
support your cause and wish there was some way we could help. Perhaps a
petition, or a formal media invite to people across Ontario to join your
rally as a mass show of support.

Good Luck Burlington Resident

......
I have been somewhat following the incident which has occurred in
Caledonia and I have one question for the Six Nations.  Why did they wait
until after the builders had cleared the land and started building homes
to start their protest?  There would have been notices posted on the land
well before this protesting started signaling all of Caledonia that a new
sub-division was being built.  If the Six Nations Band wanted to protest
this "taking over of their land" why didn't they do last year? Or did they
wait just for the right time when they knew it would be the most
inconvenient for everyone (Just trying to be objective here)

My other thought is if it is true that the Canadian Government gave the
Natives this land at Douglas Creek Estates however many years ago, where
is the signed treaty, contract, what-have-you from the government to them
stating that this land is and always will belong to the Natives.  I want
to see it.

I can compare this loosely to the fight between Palestine and Israel. 
They have been fighting for the same land for so long the people don't
even know what they are fighting about.

What more do they want? I would love to get a free education and not pay GST.
 I agree in equality for everyone.  If you live in Canada, you obey the
laws of Canada. Unless the Six Nations can prove in writing that Douglas
Creek Estates belongs to them and only them then lets end this ridiculous
fight and let the town folk get on with their lives.

For those who have invested money in a home there, I hope you can opt out
and get a full refund of your down payment.

Hamilton Resident fed up with double standards.

......
The time is long overdue. The Canadian government should have begun
dismantling the Indian Reserve System years ago. It's quite apparent that
the system does not work. You can not segregate a specific cultural group
from the rest of the population with out creating resentment and
frustration as a result, no matter how generously you compensate, (and
perhaps "compensate" isn't the correct term to use in this situation) that
group economically. In fact, perpetual compensation only creates a welfare
state. If you give, and give, to a specific group, over a substantial
period of time, that group will naturally come to expect to receive and
receive. If Reserves are gradually dismantled and their populations slowly
integrated into mainstream Canadian society, the Native culture can and
will be left intact, and by all accounts, given the example of other
cultures here, Native culture will flourish. Canada is a diverse
multiculterd society, hundreds of different ethnic groups have come to
this country and yet they still practice and enjoy their distinct
cultures. As for "Land Claims", just how much land does one group need? I
wonder what the ratio is, Acres to Population? Certainly, Natives of the
far north need land for their survival, but lets face it, traditional ways
of survival, i.e.; hunting & fishing are obsolete and unnecessary for
survival in this day and age, particularly in the southern part of every
Province. How do you begin the process which I propose? That question is
for greater minds than mine to resolve. Perhaps some day, our great
elected officials will resolve the issue, but in the meantime, I'm not
going to hold my breath.

Caledonia Resident
Caledonia, Ontario

>
> isn't there some new function, or site, where you can get access to old
> websites that are now down? if so, we should find it and use it to dig up
> those old comments. -- jaggi.
>
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Macdonald Stainsby wrote:
>
>> A friend has brought to my attention that the comments section, loaded
>> with
>> racist drivel, has been taken down...
>>
>> More than that, they obviously had a person who understood what
>> incredible
>> damage to the racists the site would do... it previously included a
>> section
>> called "definition of a terrorist"-- a whole essay on how the land
>> reclaimers
>> were, as stated, "terrorists". The site now is, while still offensive,
>> less
>> than half the size it was less than 24 hours ago when it was straight-up
>> racist clap trap.
>>
>> One wonders who was doing the damage control, since it was more honest
>> before. The comments were loaded with "I'm not a racist but..."
>>
>>
>> Macdonald Stainsby wrote:
>>> Events like the land reclamation ongoing at Six Nations territory show
>>> who
>>> the racists are.
>>> This "website" is absolutely breathtaking...
>>>
>>> http://citizensofcaledonia.ca/Default.htm
>>>
>>> The "comments" portion is even worse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Macdonald Stainsby
>> http://independentmedia.ca/survivingcanada
>> http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/rad-green
>> In the contradiction lies the hope
>>   --Bertholt Brecht.
>>
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