[IPSM] Re: holy racist backlash website

[Macdonald Stainsby]

Jaggi Singh wrote:
 >
 > isn't there some new function, or site, where you can get access to old
 > websites that are now down? if so, we should find it and use it to dig
 > up those old comments. -- jaggi.
 >
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on a hunch, I tried checking the sitemap, and found both the "terrorist" 
definition and the comments, even though the link is gone. I'm cutting 
and pasting the comments page so that they will live on in archives:

http://citizensofcaledonia.ca/comments_recieved.htm
Some Comments from emails received...

  I lived near the Dudley George incident. The protestors are using an 
illegal act to try and resolve a dispute from 200 years ago. I have 1 
question...... If I decide I need more land, should I go to my ancestral 
home, (my grandparents came from the Ukraine during the war) and fight 
for my lost land???? I would be immediately shot or imprisoned. This 
country's laws are a joke! The land was given up/lost/bought.... who 
cares.... a LONG time ago.... these people have no claim. It was lost. I 
have sat by quietly as these people say they are peacefully protesting 
while waving 2x4's in people's faces. The same thing happened at 
Ipperwash while my neighbors had to endure a lot of strife that the OPP 
was too stupid or chicken to defend.... I ask one question... If our
neighbors decided to defend the park from the 'occupiers', who would go 
to jail? Dudley George was shot while threatening the peace of Canada. 
Too bad.
Get with it and defend CANADA.... not a subculture...
I am not a racist! I believe everyone is equal... as long as we ALL play 
by the same rules of this land TODAY! No group should have the ability 
to override another, which is what is happening with the natives in 
Caledonia right now.

Stand up for the rights of the Canadian people!
Thank you,
London, Ontario

............

well it is just a comment on something I saw on the news. It was some 
lady with curly hair talking with one of the native occupants. It was 
what the lady said- we are losing money and have to work to get it, well 
along those lines. Then what got me was what the occupant asked, or 
said-where do we get money every month duh? how do we get it, we're 
losing too. He then walked away after getting really rude. Well if it 
matters or not, the native
population gets money each month commonly called "distribution" which is 
a portion of a lump sum of money that the natives "distribute" to all of 
the members from their particular reserve. So to answer the native 
occupant-yes they do get money handed out each and every month for 
having Native North American status. Unlike the people who are being 
kept from living their lives and get nothing, who are native to this 
place also, just with Native Canadian status only. Well its just what I 
thought of when I saw that scene on the 6pm news about this whole deal.

............

Yes, there is a distribution fund put into the bands hands on a monthly 
basis for distribution to the individuals.

But as well, the Six Nations people do not pay a lot of taxes for goods 
and services and probably even more that I don't know of. So, yes there 
is a very inequitable situation in place and it kind of raises the 
question of when is enough--enough. It has to be stopped by the 
government and it has to stopped immediately before permanent harm is 
done that will be irrevocable.

Ontario can't have another Ipperwash!!!!

..........

1. They want to be respected, yet they put up road blocks, burn stolen 
tires (Since corrected-Tires were donated) and destroy our bridges

2. They wear bandana's on their face. We already know what they are.

3. They want to be treated "equally", yet they still don't pay tax, they 
don't obey any laws and they get PAID to go to school.

4. They say they own the land, but they really sold it years ago and 
then when the REAL owner was starting construction they finally said 
they want it back.......that's where we got the term Indian giver'.

5. If they win the protest, whenever they need anything they will just 
protest again because they won the last one.

6. I know they don't care about kids education, but if they keep 
canceling school because of their actions other peoples education will 
suffer.

7. They want to honour their "sacred land", yet they don't hesitate to 
burn multiple parts of it with fire.

8. They say they want to be "peaceful", yet again they steal things, 
start fires, and call out "WE WANT WAR"

9. They hate us for "stealing" their land but when they need something 
(i.e.- fast food, beer or cigarettes) they'll come past the barrier and 
get it no problem.

10. They try to intimidate non-native students at school by hurting 
them, yelling at them, and graffiti the walls with phrases like "NATIVE 
PRIDE" and drawing the warrior flag on the walls.

Skeeter

.........
I attended both rallies Monday night. The fairgrounds to hear what was 
being said. It was interesting to hear the comments of those who do not 
live in the immediate area. ATV's up and down the northern perimeter of 
the land in question. Children cannot play in their backyards. Cannot go 
to school for two days and when they do, there are OPP cruisers on the 
property. How does one explain that to a six year old?
I attended the second "mob scene" out of frustration for what is not 
being done by ANY elected official. It was interesting to note that the 
OPP were facing us and not the natives who have already broken the law 
(and getting away with it). How do you explain the concept of law and 
justice when this is going on.
I do not consider myself a racist. I am a Canadian and as such, I have 
the right to defend my property ( providing, of course, that I don't 
disrupt the status quo). I am fed up with being complacent and waiting 
for what? I agree that cooler minds must prevail but when are they going 
to do something?
All levels of government have proven to us that we don't amount to much. 
After all, Caledonia only provides about 10,000 votes.
DO not go quietly into this abyss....stand up for what you believe in.
Stand up for Canada.
Stand up for Caledonia.
Stand up for your rights as a tax paying (ALL taxes) Canadian.
Grandmother in Caledonia

......
Congratulations to you and all the citizens of Caledonia for standing up 
for your rights. It's about time that Canadians stop being pushed around 
by minority groups using militant, illegal tactics. If the millions of 
law-abiding, tax paying citizens start to push back maybe the government 
would do their job.
I live in Burlington, and believe me, there are lots of people that 
support your cause and wish there was some way we could help. Perhaps a 
petition, or a formal media invite to people across Ontario to join your 
rally as a mass show of support.

Good Luck Burlington Resident

......
I have been somewhat following the incident which has occurred in 
Caledonia and I have one question for the Six Nations.  Why did they 
wait until after the builders had cleared the land and started building 
homes to start their protest?  There would have been notices posted on 
the land well before this protesting started signaling all of Caledonia 
that a new sub-division was being built.  If the Six Nations Band wanted 
to protest this "taking over of their land" why didn't they do last 
year? Or did they wait just for the right time when they knew it would 
be the most inconvenient for everyone (Just trying to be objective here)

My other thought is if it is true that the Canadian Government gave the 
Natives this land at Douglas Creek Estates however many years ago, where 
is the signed treaty, contract, what-have-you from the government to 
them stating that this land is and always will belong to the Natives.  I 
want to see it.

I can compare this loosely to the fight between Palestine and Israel. 
They have been fighting for the same land for so long the people don't 
even know what they are fighting about.

What more do they want? I would love to get a free education and not pay 
GST.
  I agree in equality for everyone.  If you live in Canada, you obey the 
laws of Canada. Unless the Six Nations can prove in writing that Douglas 
Creek Estates belongs to them and only them then lets end this 
ridiculous fight and let the town folk get on with their lives.

For those who have invested money in a home there, I hope you can opt 
out and get a full refund of your down payment.

Hamilton Resident fed up with double standards.

......
The time is long overdue. The Canadian government should have begun 
dismantling the Indian Reserve System years ago. It's quite apparent 
that the system does not work. You can not segregate a specific cultural 
group from the rest of the population with out creating resentment and 
frustration as a result, no matter how generously you compensate, (and 
perhaps "compensate" isn't the correct term to use in this situation) 
that group economically. In fact, perpetual compensation only creates a 
welfare state. If you give, and give, to a specific group, over a 
substantial period of time, that group will naturally come to expect to 
receive and receive. If Reserves are gradually dismantled and their 
populations slowly integrated into mainstream Canadian society, the 
Native culture can and will be left intact, and by all accounts, given 
the example of other cultures here, Native culture will flourish. Canada 
is a diverse multiculterd society, hundreds of different ethnic groups 
have come to this country and yet they still practice and enjoy their 
distinct cultures. As for "Land Claims", just how much land does one 
group need? I wonder what the ratio is, Acres to Population? Certainly, 
Natives of the far north need land for their survival, but lets face it, 
traditional ways of survival, i.e.; hunting & fishing are obsolete and 
unnecessary for survival in this day and age, particularly in the 
southern part of every Province. How do you begin the process which I 
propose? That question is for greater minds than mine to resolve. 
Perhaps some day, our great elected officials will resolve the issue, 
but in the meantime, I'm not going to hold my breath.

Caledonia Resident
Caledonia, Ontario



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Macdonald Stainsby
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