[GSA Council] Payment to directors and execs
Rahul Kumar
rk8443 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 15 01:52:18 PST 2015
Dear All,
*First of all, I will like to wish all my fellow colleagues of GSA with a
> Quote " I truly believe that if we keep telling the Christmas story,
> singing the Christmas songs, and living the Christmas spirit, we can bring
> joy and happiness and peace to this world." So my warm wishes for a joy
> full Christmas eve celebration and a prosperous and successful New Year
> 2016.*
Now coming to the point, I have no intention to prolong the chain of
conversation were having on this issue. I just want to highlight few
point's about this, and please be noted that I have no intentions to pick
sides and argue.
*1 - Online Voting is a good idea but as all of us know that it's still an
Idea and kind of practically not possible to implement it. *
Being said so, How many of the online voting have worked so
far? the ratio is 3 to 0, 3 motions were put for online voting so far and
none of them have been successful, and reason of this is that not all
council members are able to take part in that due to the reasons unknown.
As Rible can call and ask each council member (referred to only
Directors in this point) to vote on the online motion but calling 18
council members and ask them to do something is pretty tough and no easy as
most of the council members are busy with they exams and other stuff. In
past it was possible as there were small pack of council group to take care
of.
So we are pretty much at the point of conclusion that Online Vote being a
good option cannot be successful but can be given a try.
*2 - Bylaws and Bursary policies can be interpreted in many different ways
and can be told in any possible manner because our bylaws and bursary
policies, no matter how good they appear to be, still has a scope of having
wide possibilities of interpretations depending on the opinion one has for
words and sentences.*
Being said so, the way Alex, Ribal and Finance manage interpret
the by-laws and bursary policy are in a way correct and incorrect as both
the possibility of being right and wrong occur simultaneously. And so
arguing on whether I am right or you are wrong on interpretation of by-law
and policy will lead this issue to no end conclusion at all. And please be
noted that I have no intentions and authority to tell who's interpretation
is right and who's is wrong as I myself have interpreted the by-laws and
policies in wrong way many times in and out side GSA.
3 - Yes we do notice a point that we all have plans for holidays and
celebrations with family and I as a council member have no intentions to
give nightmares to any other fellow member of GSA. So propose a possible
resolution to this issue.
* Since many of the Directors while not be here for the next
> council meeting and the predictions as per noted from above emails tells
> that the council meeting is not gonna have any quorum, we can just call for
> a council meeting before 22nd of December by doodle and let directors fill
> the doodle. So if doodle shows that there is no concerned date which can be
> allocated for the meeting due to lack of quorum then meeting will not take
> place and the straight forward reason is due to lack of quorum. Now
> probably if I am right, we will meet the requirements of policies and
> by-laws and at the same time will be able to pay the execs they bursary for
> the month of December. *
I look upon this as on possible solution to the issue raised in the above
mail chain, and as told, this is one possible solution to get around the
law and policies and get the work done but there are many other
possibilities which can be implemented if we all work together in harmony
and mutual understanding.
*A humble request from all the people, some of the directors might think
that work was not being done by Execs and so might think the other way
around, but the one point we all miss, which is that when we finish our
tenure we as the council people of 2015-2016, giving a structure to GSA
which was lacking from last couple of years and that structure can become a
stepping stone for the future of GSA will be our greatest achievement. So
no matter whether we have a awesome team of Directors and Execs or not and
not matter whether we where able to reach out to GSA members or not, right
now we need to reach out to each other and help each other rather than
arguing on who is right and who is wrong. By-laws and Policies are there to
guide us but has it's own advantages and disadvantages, it’s important to
look at both sides. By-laws and Policies can be great for lots of reasons,
but they aren’t always the way to go. *
Regards,
*Rahul Kumar**Director for Engineering and Computer Science Dept. (GSA
2015-16)*
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On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 9:05 AM, gretchen k <gbayou at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello folks--
>
> FYI-the December meeting was dealt with in the following council motion
> approved in October:
>
> *Motion CO-20151004-04*
>
> Whereas the regular December council meeting falls on December 26, 2015
>
> Whereas this date falls during the winter holidays season
>
> BIRT that this meeting will convene Saturday, January 9th, 2016.
>
> Thanks,
> gretchen
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:05 AM, <K_kooche at encs.concordia.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>>
>> I am sorry everything that is done in gsa should be according to robert
>> rules and gsa bylaw. Picking one part our call and putting the rest aside
>> is no appropriate. I told you last night there are only two ways to approve
>> bursaries either by online voting or by special meeting. Ribal
>> responsibilty is to clarify by law I did not see such an objection when he
>> was clarifing bylaw. I am sorry to see when it comes to your bursary you
>> completlety ignore bylaw. Once again ribal as chair clarifies the bylaw and
>> no one must not act against by law. If councilor give bursary like this
>> each and every of us will be responsible and can be questioned in the next
>> GA. Bylaw is the gold rule and do not alter it when it comes to a specific
>> group interest.
>>
>>
>> Councilor which way are you more comfrtable online voting or meeting?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Korosh
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Alex Ocheoha <alex_ocheoha at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> Hello Ribal,
>>>
>>> I do not also like the idea of sending emails back and forth. I do not
>>> wish to send another email on this subject matter. You said earlier that
>>> you were leaving it to Councillors and the finance manager decide. I asked
>>> if anybody had any objection, but you seems to be the only person that has
>>> an objection.
>>>
>>> You stressed that it is not your decision to make yet stated clearly in
>>> your earlier email that “it does not seem like it would be the proper
>>> procedure to disburse the bursaries for December before the meeting in
>>> January”. As part of your roles and Responsibilities you should not be
>>> pointing anyone in a particular direction that we should not be paid. As
>>> council chair you should not cause any reasonable apprehension of bias.
>>> The finance manager is not supposed to take permission from you to
>>> disburse the bursaries.
>>>
>>> Jawad raised the point about payment of bursaries and Korosh asked the
>>> question about payment of December bursaries for executives and you said
>>> that it has already been approved. I confirmed this from Korosh.
>>>
>>> I do not cherry pick or choose rules to follow. The intention of the
>>> bursary policy was for executives to be paid in case of, not being able to
>>> have a council meeting because of not achieving quorum. I do not know why
>>> you did not highlight “In case, of not being able to have a council
>>> meeting” but highlighted “because of not achieving quorum” in bold.
>>>
>>> It is quite clear what quorum is "According to Robert's Rules”. On the
>>> other hand “Robert's Rules of Order is a guide for conducting meetings and
>>> making decisions as a group”. It is therefore not proper to apply
>>> Roberts’s rules to a meeting that was moved or skipped.
>>>
>>> It is not the fault of execs that the December regular meeting was
>>> skipped and execs should not be punished for it. Moving a regular meeting
>>> to a special meeting does not make it a regular meeting. You cannot have a
>>> December meeting in January. The bursary policy did not envision a
>>> situation where the regular meeting was skipped because of a regular
>>> meeting date falling on a holiday.
>>>
>>> I do not see any reason why executives should not be paid according to
>>> the bursary policy. I will assume that there is no intent to make me
>>> cancel all my holiday plans. I am already having a nightmarish experience.
>>> We should not be making a simple matter complex.
>>>
>>> I wish you to have a happy holiday.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alex Ocheoha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ribal Abi Raad <abiraad.ribal at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 2:05 PM
>>> To: Alex Ocheoha
>>> Cc: Vivek Khatri; Mathilde Mbom; gsaconcordia at lists.resist.ca
>>> Subject: Re: [GSA Council] Payment to directors and execs
>>>
>>> I don't really like the idea of having to send e-mails back and forth.
>>> If you could refrain from twisting the facts for your arguments Alex that
>>> would be great. The bursary policy is pretty clear:
>>> "In case, of not being able to have a council meeting because of not
>>> achieving quorum, the applicant would get paid without any assessment,
>>> because of the above mentioned reasons."
>>>
>>> In case it is still not clear, the part I'm referring to is the one
>>> that is in bold, mainly the large font. The December meeting was
>>> postponed, and by definition in Robert's rules of order:
>>> "According to Robert's Rules, a quorum is the minimum number of voting
>>> members who must be present at a properly called meeting in order to
>>> conduct business in the name of the group. "
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot pick and choose the rules you wish to follow, so it's either
>>> all of them or none of them. I would like to stress that it is NOT my
>>> decision to make, and I know that. I was asked by Vinay what the proper
>>> procedure should be, and I gave my input. Whether you like it, agree with
>>> it, feel personally offended is not my concern. The end decision is
>>> neither mine nor any of the executives. Councilors will decide on the
>>> disbursement of the bursary. As I have mentioned before, I am not a big
>>> fan of the "back and forth" scenario via e-mail.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> [
>>> https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aYWJpcmFhZC5yaWJhbEBnbWFpbC5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=214ca476-faf9-4426-8948-4aedcb819de6]ᐧ
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>>>
>>> Ribal Abi Raad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Alex Ocheoha <alex_ocheoha at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:alex_ocheoha at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Vivek,
>>>
>>>
>>> All decisions are supposed to be made during meeting or in the absence
>>> of a meeting there has to be a written resolution signed by all directors.
>>> If all directors send their resolution by email it cannot be referred to
>>> as online voting.
>>>
>>>
>>> The only person that has said that it is not "proper procedure to
>>> disburse the bursaries for December before the meeting in January" is the
>>> council chair who has left it to the Councillors and finance manager to
>>> decide.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regardless the bursary policy is clear, it there is no meeting or no
>>> quorum, executives are paid.
>>>
>>>
>>> @If anybody objects to executives or a particular executive being paid
>>> their December bursary based on the bursary policy that person should
>>> state.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Ocheoha
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Vivek Khatri <simple2v at gmail.com<mailto:simple2v at gmail.com>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 10:43 PM
>>> To: Mathilde Mbom
>>> Cc: finance at gsaconcordia.ca<mailto:finance at gsaconcordia.ca>; Alex
>>> Ocheoha; gsaconcordia at lists.resist.ca<mailto:
>>> gsaconcordia at lists.resist.ca>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [GSA Council] Payment to directors and execs
>>>
>>> I thought Alex told that online voting was against the law for some
>>> reason, when I brought the online voting motion earlier.
>>> Anyways, I vote for the motion and request the other councillors to do
>>> so too.
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>> Vivek Khatri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015, Mathilde Mbom <mathildembom at yahoo.ca
>>> <mailto:mathildembom at yahoo.ca>> wrote:
>>> Here is a motion to help out in this situation:
>>>
>>> BIRT that the execs be awarded their December bursary on or after
>>> December 26, 2015.
>>>
>>> The motion needs a mover and a seconder (and it won't be me for either).
>>> Since this will be an online vote, all Councillors (active and inactive
>>> ones) must cast their votes for the vote to be valid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mathilde
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 17:11, finance at gsaconcordia.ca
>>> <finance at gsaconcordia.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> All said and done I am not at liberty or it is not in my task to make a
>>> decision. Decision makers are the GA, Council and Executives in that
>>> order. Someone has to decide and then tell me to pay. That's my job :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> FM
>>>
>>> On 09-Dec-2015 3:42 am, "Alex Ocheoha" <alex_ocheoha at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello everybody,
>>> I believe that the bursary policy has anticipated situations such as
>>> these and is quite clear in dealing with this. I do not see why we should
>>> spend so much time on this.
>>> 1. The Bursary policy states: “However, GSA also recognizes that
>>> students may live in precarious financial situations and that political
>>> involvement should not be a privilege, this is why the GSA offers
>>> compensation in the form of bursaries to executives members.”
>>> People have already made travel plans and other plans for the holidays.
>>> Some people will also have their rent and other bills to pay at the end of
>>> December. Most organizations usually pay their employees earlier in
>>> December to make money available for those that go on holiday or celebrate
>>> Christmas. I do not know if this has come up because of someone I already
>>> know, who may want to vote against my December bursary in secret. The
>>> secret ballot makes the person’s motive look more suspicious, because
>>> people usually become more transparent when they anticipate legal
>>> challenges.
>>> 2. I just want to discuss the disbursement of the current bursary.
>>> After having looked at the bursary policy, I personally do not see
>>> anything in particular that states that executives should get paid for two
>>> months. There are two items in the policy that I have highlighted
>>> concerning the disbursement
>>> = I made it clear to the other executives and the Finance Manager that
>>> the November 28 council meeting only approved the payment of the November
>>> bursary. The executives will not get paid for 2 months and will only get
>>> paid after the December 26 or at the end of the month.
>>> 3. "Allow for executive who choose to request monthly bursaries be
>>> awarded if councils accept their monthly reports.
>>> = All executives opted for the monthly option and have been paid by the
>>> monthly option.
>>> 4. Since there was no approval of any December reports, it does not
>>> seem like it would be the proper procedure to disburse the bursaries for
>>> December before the meeting in January.
>>> The bursary policy states: In case, of not being able to have a council
>>> meeting because of not achieving quorum, the applicant would get paid
>>> without any assessment, because of the above mentioned reasons.
>>> = The December council meeting will not hold because it falls on a
>>> holiday. If there is no meeting executives get paid without assessment.
>>> 5. Since the council meeting date was changed, and therefore there was
>>> no loss of quorum, there should not be any bursary awarded to the
>>> executives for December, until the December meeting which will be held in
>>> January.
>>> The motion that was passed in the August 29, 2015 meeting states:
>>> “BIFRT In the event of items being tabled in the agenda of the monthly
>>> council meeting, a second council meeting is to be held on a date
>>> determined by doodle (same Sept 6 deadline) within one week after the
>>> monthly meeting. . . . . “
>>>
>>> Whereas there will be no meeting in December all items meant for the
>>> December council will be tabled to the early January Council meeting.
>>> Whereas the August 29 motion states that the meeting should be held
>>> within one week of the monthly council meeting a motion was passed in the
>>> October 4, 2015 meeting to convene the meeting on Saturday, January 9,
>>> 2016.
>>> =However, January is a new month, a new year and a new semester. This
>>> meeting to be held on January 9, 2016 cannot be called the December
>>> Regular Council meeting. It has never happened before in the GSA or
>>> anywhere is the world to call a meeting held in January a December meeting.
>>> 6. Since there was no approval of any December reports, it does not
>>> seem like it would be the proper procedure to disburse the bursaries for
>>> December before the meeting in January.
>>> = The reports cannot be assessed or approved because the GSA will not
>>> be having a regular council meeting in December. The proper procedure will
>>> be to abide by the policy and disburse the bursaries.
>>> 7. And: "The attribution of a bursary is contingent to the evaluation
>>> of the Semester Report of an executive member and any executive
>>> evaluations, if they were provided."
>>> = Executives already opted for the monthly bursaries and have been
>>> submitting monthly reports, which were approved.
>>> 8. There is one more section that indicates the amount of money to be
>>> disbursed in each semester which is as follows, but it does not seem as
>>> binding as anything else:
>>> The bursaries are to be allocated by semester. The amounts for each
>>> semester represent an amount of 1100$ per month which goes as follows:
>>> The Bursary policy states: “A member of the Executive Committee who
>>> wishes to obtain a bursary must first provide to the Council, no later
>>> than the beginning of July (for summer semester) no later than the
>>> beginning October (for fall semester), and no later than the beginning of
>>> February (for the winter semester), an Action Plan for the semester at
>>> hand.”
>>> = If an action plan has been submitted it covers the entire semester.
>>> The amount payable for the fall semester (September to December) is $4400.
>>> An executive who requests monthly bursaries still has to be paid $1,100
>>> for December.
>>> 9. Ideally, the scenario that would be more prudent would be to make
>>> sure a meeting is called before the vacations or wait in January (the
>>> following month) as they would normally do for any other month, but then
>>> again it is up to the discretion of council.
>>> = Council has already passed a motion not to have a meeting on December
>>> 26, 2015. I do not see any urgency in calling a meeting during the
>>> holidays or during the exam period.
>>> I do not see any reason not to have a break. Executives also deserve a
>>> break. This is beginning to look like someone just realized that we will
>>> be paid without assessment.
>>> The bursary policy came up because of somebody that disappeared and did
>>> not show up not for people that show up and actually work. Worker deserves
>>> their wages.
>>> I hope that this resolves this bursary disbursement. We have a lot of
>>> work to do in January so it would not be ideal to start the year by
>>> spending a lot of time on discussions about bursaries.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Ocheoha
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gsaconcordia <gsaconcordia-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of
>>> Ribal Abi Raad <abiraad.ribal at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 2:22 AM
>>> To: finance at gsaconcordia.ca; Gsaconcordia at lists.resist.ca
>>> Subject: Re: [GSA Council] Payment to directors and execs
>>>
>>> Hello Vinay, hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I just want to discuss the disbursement of the current bursary. After
>>> having looked at the bursary policy, I personally do not see anything in
>>> particular that states that executives should get paid for two
>>> months.There are two items in the policy that I have highlighted
>>> concerning the disbursement
>>>
>>> "Allow for executive who choose to request monthly bursaries be awarded
>>> if councils accept their monthly reports.
>>>
>>> In case, of not being able to have a council meeting because of not
>>> achieving quorum, the applicant would get paid without any assessment,
>>> because of the above mentioned reasons."
>>> Since the council meeting date was changed, and therefore there was no
>>> loss of quorum, there should not be any bursary awarded to the executives
>>> for December, until the December meeting which will be held in January.
>>>
>>> And: "The attribution of a bursary is contingent to the evaluation of
>>> the Semester Report of an executive member and any executive evaluations,
>>> if they were provided."
>>>
>>> Since there was no approval of any December reports, it does not seem
>>> like it would be the proper procedure to disburse the bursaries for
>>> December before the meeting in January.
>>>
>>> There is one more section that indicates the amount of money to be
>>> disbursed in each semester which is as follows, but it does not seem as
>>> binding as anything else:
>>> The bursaries are to be allocated by semester. The amounts for each
>>> semester represent an amount of 1100$ per month which goes as follows:
>>> Summer Semester (June to August): 3300$
>>> Fall Semester (September to December): 4400$
>>> Winter Semester (January to May): 5500$
>>>
>>> Ideally, the scenario that would be more prudent would be to make sure
>>> a meeting is called before the vacations or wait in January (the following
>>> month) as they would normally do for any other month, but then again it is
>>> up to the discretion of council.
>>>
>>> The reason why I am sending this is because I do not want to take the
>>> responsibility of any action against the current rule and regulations.
>>> There seems to be a great devotion towards detail at the GSA, and I do not
>>> want to break this rule. This is why I would leave it up to the councilors
>>> and the finance manager to decide on what is to happen.
>>>
>>> Finally, if I seem to have made a big deal out of an insignificant
>>> matter, excuse the inconvenience.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> [
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>>> Ribal Abi Raad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:07 PM, finance at gsaconcordia.ca <
>>> finance at gsaconcordia.ca> wrote:
>>> Hey Ribal,
>>>
>>> Bursary policy please. Also Korosh did not sign the attendance sheet so
>>> do i pay him or not for Nov 28 Council meeting.
>>>
>>> Vinay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Ribal Abi Raad <abiraad.ribal at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> It is in the bursary policy. I'll send it over wine I'm home.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 7 December 2015, GSA Manager Finance <
>>> finance at gsaconcordia.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I did not see the signature of Korosh on the last month's attendance
>>> sheet. So I guess he will get paid for Dec only.
>>>
>>>
>>> Further, the council minutes does not say anything on the Dec pay, so
>>> could you guide me to the exact point in the by-law or any other authentic
>>> and authorized documents that says execs gat paid for Dec? I need
>>> something to prove this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ribal Abi Raad
>>> Received: 12/7/2015 5:44:56 PM -05:00
>>> To: GSA Finance Manager
>>> Hey vinay, you will have to pay lorosh for the meeting he just
>>> attended, unless he actually has signed in for the one before that.
>>> The executives should be paid for November and December. Since rupinder
>>> officially resigned, she should not be paid for December.
>>>
>>> I hope that answers your questions.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On Monday, 7 December 2015, GSA Finance Manager <
>>> finance at gsaconcordia.ca> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have written the cheques. Please sign them.
>>>
>>> I do not know about Korosh, so Ribal how much do we pay him.
>>>
>>> As for the bursary for November to execs, it has been done with
>>> Rupinder being paid for last month as well. For december I do not know,
>>> Ribal you have yet to answer.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Finance Manager,
>>> GSA, Concordia
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>>>
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