[GSA Council] Proposed change in number of council members for 2015

Thu Oct 9 10:34:23 PDT 2014

Ok, I see what you're saying, and have taken your comments into
consideration in formulating several possible solutions.

Again, we want a smaller number of councillors, we want to keep it
proportional, but we want to make sure smaller faculties have a voice.

With only a few hours until our meeting, here is the updated version of the
motion I sent to Gretchen for us to discuss. I hope you like this version
better.

1-500 students, 1 Director;
501-1200 students, 2 Directors;
1201-2100 students, 3 Directors;
2101-4200 students, 4 Directors;
and so on (increasing intervals of 500, 700, 900, 1100, etc.)

Using the numbers from the winter semester, this would give 4 ENCS; 3 A&S;
2 JMSB; 2 FA; and 1 indi (for a total of 12 Directors).

I think 12 is a great number. I agree that there should be less than 15 but
think we need at least twice as many Councillors as Executives. Also, with
less than 12, people will question our ability to represent our
constituents.

This is the very best system I can come up with, and will argue that we
vote in favor at today's meeting.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Keroles Riad <k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>
wrote:

> Hi,
> That still allow the top 2 to dominate council! 4+3 is 7... in a council
> of 11 you need 6 to pass things. actually even ENCS and JMSB combination
> can dictate council.
>
>
>
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>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Jon Summers <jsummers6 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Keroles Riad <k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>
> *Cc:* Sean Boivin <sboivin001 at gmail.com>; Gsaconcordia at lists.resist.ca
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:12 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [GSA Council] Proposed change in number of council members
> for 2015
>
> How about a very simple compromise solution? Intervals of 700 students. I
> believe this meets the 3 key criteria I outlined previously, and is easy to
> explain to our members.
>
> 1-700 students: 1 councillor
> 701-1400 students: 2 councillors
> 1401-2100 students: 3 councillors
> 2101-2800 students: 4 councillors
> 2801-3500 students: 5 councillors
>
> This would give 4 ENCS; 3 A&S; 2 JMSB; 1 FA; and 1 indi.
>
> The total is 11 councillors.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Keroles Riad <k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Jon, it is not arbitrary, it is the smallest council can possibly get. You
> have 4 faculties and SIP. You give 2 each that is 10. You want to do semi
> proportional then encs is biggest, SIP is smaller so you add 1 to ENCS and
> take one from SIP and you still have 10.
>
> This way you need 3 groups to agree to pass things in council. In your
> case the top 2 can dictate council.
>
> Last how many do you think are we now in council? We are supposed to be 20
> but we have a few seats open. We ARE at 15, do you think council runs
> smoothly now?
>
> This change needs to be fairly more drastic and even have my doubts about
> 10 being too many.
>
> Kero
> Thanks
> Keroles Riad
> Research assistant and INDI masters student
> B.Eng Mechanical Engineering
> Laboratory for the Physics of Advanced Materials
> Department of Mechanical & Industrial Engineering
> Concordia University
> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West
> Montreal, Quebec
> Canada H3G 1M8
> Ph: 1-514-476-3686
>
> Follow me
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> *From: * Jon Summers <jsummers6 at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:12:04 -0400
> *To: *Keroles Riad<k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>; Sean Boivin<
> sboivin001 at gmail.com>; <Gsaconcordia at lists.resist.ca>
> *Subject: *Re: [GSA Council] Proposed change in number of council members
> for 2015
>
> Thanks Sean and Keroles for taking the time to address my proposal for
> 2015 (and its possible variations)!
>
> As I mentioned, I believe that my moderate proposal has the advantage of
> (1) reducing the size of Council by about 1/4; (2) keeping representation
> proportional by faculty; (3) preventing smaller faculties from being
> dominated by larger ones.
>
> I'm afraid that Keroles' proposal seems too arbitrary for us to be able to
> justify it to our membership in a General Assembly.
>
> Sean uses the number of students this semester for his calculation.
> However, the current bylaws state that "This ratio will be determined by
> the total enrolment number in the Winter term of the previous academic
> year." This could of course be changed as well.
>
> According to David, the number of students in the winter of 2014 was 2734
> for ENCS, 1920 for A&S, 1179 for JMSB, 506 for FA, and 157 for indi. The
> seats on Council, by my math, would thus be 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 (for a total of
> 15). Works out nicely, don't you think?
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Keroles Riad <k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>
> wrote:
>
> I personally won't make council bigger than 10. 3, 2, 2, 2, 1
>
>
> Thanks
> Keroles Riad
> Research assistant and INDI masters student
> B.Eng Mechanical Engineering
> Laboratory for the Physics of Advanced Materials
> Department of Mechanical & Industrial Engineering
> Concordia University
> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West
> Montreal, Quebec
> Canada H3G 1M8
> Ph: 1-514-476-3686
>
> Follow me
> @Kerologist
>
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